August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[electricjet98]

In your own words (by that I mean the words of your west colleagues in past posts) you WERE willing to modify the terms. You RECOGNIZED where and how the award fell short of what was fair and equitable. You were WILLING to consider modifications in the form of C&RS to mitigate the effects of the Nic. But unfortunately, a solution ( at Wye River and the attempts since) was not to be. I just want you to acknowledge that the Nic was flawed, it was much more than you expected in our merger and it precipitated the righteous indignation that followed.

Please don't equate our willingness to "modify the terms" to your view of the award being flawed. We were simply being pragmatic that an attempt at mitigation would be acceptable to both parties, would serve to unite a fractured pilot group and provide the maximum benefit to ALL pilots. Needless to say, the east wanted it all then just as the do now. Paraphrasing Judge Silver, "Unfortunately, USAPA did not listen".

 

[Phoenix]

First, something is wrong with the forum, the Water Cooler forum comes up when I select the US Airways forum. Let me try this: There was a dispute between a group (those that passed the ACA) and a dissenting group as to whether the mandate in Obamacare was actually an illegal tax. By birth, as citizens of the USA we are born into a Class that is governed by three branches of government, using checks and balances. The legal “process occurred” and with the surprising help of the Chief Justice the ACA was allowed to proceed. A very disgruntled group of USA class citizens are so unhappy with the award that they seek to change their Representatives in order to repeal the terrible wrong they perceive. But those that wanted the ACA as written say the others are keeping them from enjoying the benefits of the bill by so intensely fighting it tooth and nail. The bill as written indeed benefits some citizens, but there are parts of the bill that also are perceived to be grossly unfair to others. How far do I have to go with this analogy. Anyone? RR

For a minute there I thought our new discussion of Abomination Care had nothing to do with the Nic. Thanks for keeping us on track.

 

[Phoenix]

You mean your longevity?

Now the world makes sense again. 😀

Everyone's seniority is their inalienable right, and their right to define it is necessarily a component to it. 😀. Some things are self evident, and men bind themselves together to protect said inalienable rights, pledging their fortunes and sacred honor.

 

[Reed Richards]

For a minute there I thought our new discussion of Abomination Care had nothing to do with the Nic. Thanks for keeping us on track.

It's what I do. :mellow: RR

 

[767one]

First, something is wrong with the forum, the Water Cooler forum comes up when I select the US Airways forum. Let me try this: There was a dispute between a group (those that passed the ACA) and a dissenting group as to whether the mandate in Obamacare was actually an illegal tax. By birth, as citizens of the USA we are born into a Class that is governed by three branches of government, using checks and balances. The legal “process occurred” and with the surprising help of the Chief Justice the ACA was allowed to proceed. A very disgruntled group of USA class citizens are so unhappy with the award that they seek to change their Representatives in order to repeal the terrible wrong they perceive. But those that wanted the ACA as written say the others are keeping them from enjoying the benefits of the bill by so intensely fighting it tooth and nail. The bill as written indeed benefits some citizens, but there are parts of the bill that also are perceived to be grossly unfair to others. How far do I have to go with this analogy. Anyone? RR

On count #1 the crime of thread creep I plead guilty your honor. Please sentence me to 47 years of retirement (the same # of years I paid Social security and all those other taxes. I must admit your post is an excellent recap!

Regards,

Bob

 

[Claxon]

It's what I do. :mellow: RR

Superhero:
Prepare for a triple threat.
It is relevant.
Oh yes, only on a Saturday.

 

[traderjake]

Miami’s Corrosion Corner

http://www.michaelprophet.com/MiamiCC.html

 

[Claxon]

Please don't equate our willingness to "modify the terms" to your view of the award being flawed. We were simply being pragmatic that an attempt at mitigation would be acceptable to both parties, would serve to unite a fractured pilot group and provide the maximum benefit to ALL pilots. Needless to say, the east wanted it all then just as the do now. Paraphrasing Judge Silver, "Unfortunately, USAPA did not listen".

"Pursuant to the Court’s resolution of the motions for summary judgment,
IT IS ORDERED Counts I and III of the complaint are dismissed and judgment is
entered in favor of US Airline Pilots Association on Count II of the complaint. US Airline
Pilots Association’s seniority proposal does not breach its duty of fair representation
provided it is supported by a legitimate union purpose. This judgment is binding on the
following class: “All pilots employed by US Airways in September 2008 who were on the
America West seniority list on September 20, 2005.”
DATED this 4th day of December, 2012.

 

[PullUp]

Reference please.

Civics class.

 

[Claxon]

If you are asking my opinion, then the NIC isn't flawed:
* Protect those actively flying WB from being displaced (east only issue) - check;
* Protect NB captains from being displaced - check
* Protect active NB FOs from being displaced by those on furloughed status - check
* Place those on furlough junior to those who are actively holding their employment status and seat position - check.

What's not fair; what's not equitable? What's to renegotiate?

Pursuant to the Court’s resolution of the motions for summary judgment,
IT IS ORDERED Counts I and III of the complaint are dismissed and judgment is
entered in favor of US Airline Pilots Association on Count II of the complaint. US Airline
Pilots Association’s seniority proposal does not breach its duty of fair representation
provided it is supported by a legitimate union purpose. This judgment is binding on the
following class: “All pilots employed by US Airways in September 2008 who were on the
America West seniority list on September 20, 2005.”
DATED this 4th day of December, 2012."

 

[PullUp]

Only the ones that I agree are just and Constitutional.

In his “letter from Birmingham jail” Martin Luther King jr. writes

“One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws”

“A just law is a man made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law.“

http://themoderatevo...1JtQLzqwedEM.99

Better be able to prove it, or be in the same kind of jail cell MLK was in.

 

[mrbreeze]

Please don't equate our willingness to "modify the terms" to your view of the award being flawed. We were simply being pragmatic that an attempt at mitigation would be acceptable to both parties, would serve to unite a fractured pilot group and provide the maximum benefit to ALL pilots. Needless to say, the east wanted it all then just as the do now. Paraphrasing Judge Silver, "Unfortunately, USAPA did not listen".

Was not able to post the picture of my BS flag, however, this is BS!

 

[Claxon]

" This judgment is binding on the
following class: “All pilots employed by US Airways in September 2008 who were on the
America West seniority list on September 20, 2005.”

 

[traderjake]

Better be able to prove it, or be in the same kind of jail cell MLK was in.

Lucky for us the Founding Fathers and others were willing to risk jail and worse.

On two different occasions during jury duty selection I told the judge I wasn't necessarily going to follow his instrutions and would find the defendants innocent if I thought the law was unjust. Nobody put me in jail.

 

[Phoenix]

Civics class.

Your elementary school teacher..