Yeah, the laughing stock over the North Atlantic. When we depart Athens or Rome, the controllers refuse to call us Cactus.....we are Alpha Whiskey Echo 719. What an embarrassing call sign. Can't wait to be saying American on the radio. You guys have no clue as to what goes on outside of PHX......regional crybabies.
August 2013 Pilot Discussion
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Lying again. Scott Kirby, along with the company's response to your pitiful grievance, "NO". You really need to change your approach, NIC4US.....this one is only embarrassing you.
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JOINT CLT PHL DOMICILE UPDATE
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Merger Support
We have received many emails and calls, both pro and con, regarding USAPA providing a public statement to the DOJ supporting the US Airways - American Airlines merger. Let us be clear: we understand that the majority of US Airways pilots support the merger and its associated benefits. And make no mistake; the USAPA Board of Pilot Representatives shares this position. Nevertheless we would not be doing our best for our pilots if we did not consider whether there are additional steps that should be taken at this point to protect the interests of our pilots, in the event that the merger does not go forward.
To clarify, the issue is not whether USAPA supports the benefits of a future merger for all of our pilots. The issue is giving unconditional support regardless of any adverse effects that could occur, if we do not act prudently to protect the pilots of US Airways. There are those who want to support this merger and the Company’s goals unconditionally, and those who believe that our support must come with a raised eyebrow, as well as an insurance policy that not only protects, but insures the pilots’ future interests.
Throughout this process we have been reminded of the numerous instances where the Company has thumbed its nose at the US Airways pilot group. Most noticeable, covertly negotiating the Term Sheet with APA and purposely excluding USAPA from the process, resulting in yet again a bankruptcy and sub-industry standard contract for US Airways pilots.
No other pilot group in history has sacrificed as we have. We have contributed well over $10 Billion in concessions as we are forced to endure LAO 93, 3 years beyond the amendable date. The final result is that the APA received 13.5% equity stake in the combined company (approximately hundred thousand per pilot), while the US Airways pilots received an ‘IOU,’ not to mention less than the $10,000 originally advertised. In addition, the American pilots are being paid at Green Book rates which were effective at their signing, and received other benefits immediately, while again the US Airways pilots receive an ‘IOU’ for MOU rates only when the POR is complete.
Furthermore, US Airways pilots will not even begin to accrue MOU vacation until after the POR, should there actually be a completed merger. Given the delay potentially caused by the antitrust suit, the merger may not close until 2014, and this could mean that east pilots may not receive the same vacation as both the west and APA until 2016.
Next we have the 3% issue, a simple contractual stipulation that we have had to fight about for over four years. As per the language outlined in the LOA 84 Restructuring Agreement, beginning in 2010, we are clearly entitled to a 3% raise every May 01, during the status quo period. This equated to 3% on May 01, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013, or a 12.55% raise above current levels. The negotiating evidence clearly shows that the Company knows this, they tried to negotiate their way out of this provision, they forced us to "grieve" this provision, as they attempt to disavow this provision ever existed. The total disrespect this management demonstrates to our pilots and our profession is incredible. While they certainly benefit financially every day, every month, every year from our sacrifices, as well as the merger with America West, our earning power decreases daily against the ever-rising cost of living and inflation. The 3% minimal annual raises that were negotiated in LOA 84 and not removed from our contract in LOA 93 are now being held hostage in the hands of arbitration, as our management continues to prevent contractual increases 10 years beyond our own bankruptcy contract. It should come as no surprise that many of our pilots strongly resent “helping” management with their next merger, while they continue to ignore our needs, as well as abuse our contracts.
In light of these issues, which are only a partial list of the bad behavior exhibited by this management over the last 8 years, how can we make an unconditional public show of support to the DOJ in regards to this merger? What guarantees do we have our pilots will be protected if further sacrifices are required to attain this merger? Whatever your thoughts are at this point, we have an MOU that, regardless of the manner in which it was delivered to the pilots, was approved by 76% of US Airways pilots (56% of PHL pilots, 72% of CLT pilots, 85% of DCA pilots, and 98% of PHX pilots). We have all demonstrated our support and expect the benefits for this merger through our vote. But the MOU does not include any provisions that protect our careers if the merger is not ultimately approved. Let’s be blunt: what we have done for the past 16 months is to put our careers at US Airways on hold once again, while we assisted our management to secure their positions as leaders of the largest airline on Earth. If this deal is not consummated, there are no benefits for our continued sacrifices and we will have nothing to show for it.
If this merger fails, we are essentially back at square one with Section 6 negotiations before the NMB, and a management who thrives on delay tactics and stalling the negotiating process. The Company will have effectively delayed the Section 6 negotiations for an additional two years, for a total of more than six years, and we will continue to receive substandard wages and benefits. This process will continue for as long as the NMB allows US Airways management to stonewall the Railway Labor Act process in stand-alone, mediated negotiations. No one in USAPA is in any way attempting to derail this merger. Rather, what we require is insurance and protections in the event that this merger fails.
A fair question at this point would be: Why didn’t USAPA negotiate something up front, before we jumped on board with negotiations for the MOU? The answer is this: Although an effort was made to spring to the Kirby Proposal pay rates if the merger didn’t go through, that very reasonable request was denied by management. We had union leadership that has been all-in since their first briefing by Parker and Kirby in April of 2012, and the officers lead us to the MOU with the hopes that a merger would in fact be the quickest way to a better contract. We certainly hope everyone sees the massive failure here with 20-20 hindsight, and now vow to correct the lack of contingent protections.
Management appears to expect our automatic and continued support. The PHL and CLT Domicile representatives are reluctant to continue our unconditional support for Doug Parker’s merger without some assurances, insurance, protections and mutual respect for all those who made this merger possible, including the US Airways pilots who have faithfully and continually delivered time and again to protect the strong East Coast presence and network which makes this merger so desirable.
No US Airways pilot needs to be reminded that we have suffered under bankruptcy wages and work rules and without a raise for almost ten years. In fact, the recent delay can be directly attributed to US Airways Management (with the assistance of the NMB), who focused their attention on negotiating with the APA on our behalf and what was to be a pending merger.
Since April 18, 2012, USAPA has spent most of its time and effort supporting the proposed merger. While there was always the possibility the DOJ would take issue with some aspects of the merger, we didn’t think anyone ever believed they would attempt to prevent the merger outright.
While we hope the merger will occur, there is always the possibility that it will not. And if it doesn’t occur, US Airways pilots will essentially be back to square one with respect to negotiating a new collective bargaining agreement. When negotiations ceased two years ago, the Company hadn’t moved off of their original, sub-standard proposal in any meaningful way.
In light of the record profits they are reporting, we should be far north of anything they offered in 2007. We believe if the merger does not occur, it is not unreasonable to require the Company to commit to the same aggressive negotiating schedule it displayed with APA, where an entire agreement was crafted in just a few weeks. Unfortunately, we were told last week by USAPA President Hummel that US Airways’ President Scott Kirby has no intention in negotiating quickly with us, and once again plans to use the seniority issue as the excuse. So here we sit, having supported the merger, our livelihoods diminished, our retirements mostly gone, much of our flying outsourced….and yet, rest assured, our top management is doing quite well, merger or no merger.
All this said, if you still feel the need to provide unsolicited support and enable our management to continue with “business as usual” when it comes to how they treat their front line employees, then please provide us your reasoning and we will include it with all the other input we have been receiving. From our vantage point, and from what many pilots are telling us, we are at the point of ambivalence. This merger will be a quick remedy for many of our current issues, but when you consider that the entire ordeal before the DOJ and the courts, simply put, it is out of our hands. We are not piloting this merger; we are in the last row of the jet. If all else fails we must be prepared to stand up for ourselves should the DOJ prevail in keeping American and US Airways separate. Bill McKee Steve Crimi Dewitt Ingram CLT Chairman Vice Chairman Vice Chairman Paul DiOrio Paul Music John Taylor PHL Chariman Vice Chairman Vice
Chairman
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Yep, You worthless pieces of SCAB Schitt aren't worth the electrons to notify you of such. You're the lowest paid POS in the industry and will be forever. BTW, Nobody....and I mean NOBODY cares about you, your families, your "sacrafice", your want's, your expectations, you're percieved "worth"...Nothing. NOBODY.
You have nothing. Every time a Flight Attendent brings you a diet coke, Thank Jesus. It's 1000x more than you deserve. Karma's a #### and she hasn't stopped beating the tar out of you yet.
COMEDY WRITING AT IT'S BEST!!!!!!! THANKS A MILLION PHL/CLT SCABS!!!!
(btw, whomever has spent years writing this crap, loves to say "make no mistake"...which is the height of Irony as it's the only thing this Aszhole has ever encouraged you to do...at over a Billion lost dollars later, I'd say he's pretty effective)
JOINT CLT PHL DOMICILE UPDATE
Details Created on Sunday, 01 September 2013 21:19
Merger Support
We have received many emails and calls, both pro and con, regarding USAPA providing a public statement to the DOJ supporting the US Airways - American Airlines merger. Let us be clear: we understand that the majority of US Airways pilots support the merger and its associated benefits. And make no mistake; the USAPA Board of Pilot Representatives shares this position. Nevertheless we would not be doing our best for our pilots if we did not consider whether there are additional steps that should be taken at this point to protect the interests of our pilots, in the event that the merger does not go forward.
To clarify, the issue is not whether USAPA supports the benefits of a future merger for all of our pilots. The issue is giving unconditional support regardless of any adverse effects that could occur, if we do not act prudently to protect the pilots of US Airways. There are those who want to support this merger and the Company’s goals unconditionally, and those who believe that our support must come with a raised eyebrow, as well as an insurance policy that not only protects, but insures the pilots’ future interests.
Throughout this process we have been reminded of the numerous instances where the Company has thumbed its nose at the US Airways pilot group. Most noticeable, covertly negotiating the Term Sheet with APA and purposely excluding USAPA from the process, resulting in yet again a bankruptcy and sub-industry standard contract for US Airways pilots.
No other pilot group in history has sacrificed as we have. We have contributed well over $10 Billion in concessions as we are forced to endure LAO 93, 3 years beyond the amendable date. The final result is that the APA received 13.5% equity stake in the combined company (approximately hundred thousand per pilot), while the US Airways pilots received an ‘IOU,’ not to mention less than the $10,000 originally advertised. In addition, the American pilots are being paid at Green Book rates which were effective at their signing, and received other benefits immediately, while again the US Airways pilots receive an ‘IOU’ for MOU rates only when the POR is complete.
Furthermore, US Airways pilots will not even begin to accrue MOU vacation until after the POR, should there actually be a completed merger. Given the delay potentially caused by the antitrust suit, the merger may not close until 2014, and this could mean that east pilots may not receive the same vacation as both the west and APA until 2016.
Next we have the 3% issue, a simple contractual stipulation that we have had to fight about for over four years. As per the language outlined in the LOA 84 Restructuring Agreement, beginning in 2010, we are clearly entitled to a 3% raise every May 01, during the status quo period. This equated to 3% on May 01, 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013, or a 12.55% raise above current levels. The negotiating evidence clearly shows that the Company knows this, they tried to negotiate their way out of this provision, they forced us to "grieve" this provision, as they attempt to disavow this provision ever existed. The total disrespect this management demonstrates to our pilots and our profession is incredible. While they certainly benefit financially every day, every month, every year from our sacrifices, as well as the merger with America West, our earning power decreases daily against the ever-rising cost of living and inflation. The 3% minimal annual raises that were negotiated in LOA 84 and not removed from our contract in LOA 93 are now being held hostage in the hands of arbitration, as our management continues to prevent contractual increases 10 years beyond our own bankruptcy contract. It should come as no surprise that many of our pilots strongly resent “helping” management with their next merger, while they continue to ignore our needs, as well as abuse our contracts.
In light of these issues, which are only a partial list of the bad behavior exhibited by this management over the last 8 years, how can we make an unconditional public show of support to the DOJ in regards to this merger? What guarantees do we have our pilots will be protected if further sacrifices are required to attain this merger? Whatever your thoughts are at this point, we have an MOU that, regardless of the manner in which it was delivered to the pilots, was approved by 76% of US Airways pilots (56% of PHL pilots, 72% of CLT pilots, 85% of DCA pilots, and 98% of PHX pilots). We have all demonstrated our support and expect the benefits for this merger through our vote. But the MOU does not include any provisions that protect our careers if the merger is not ultimately approved. Let’s be blunt: what we have done for the past 16 months is to put our careers at US Airways on hold once again, while we assisted our management to secure their positions as leaders of the largest airline on Earth. If this deal is not consummated, there are no benefits for our continued sacrifices and we will have nothing to show for it.
If this merger fails, we are essentially back at square one with Section 6 negotiations before the NMB, and a management who thrives on delay tactics and stalling the negotiating process. The Company will have effectively delayed the Section 6 negotiations for an additional two years, for a total of more than six years, and we will continue to receive substandard wages and benefits. This process will continue for as long as the NMB allows US Airways management to stonewall the Railway Labor Act process in stand-alone, mediated negotiations. No one in USAPA is in any way attempting to derail this merger. Rather, what we require is insurance and protections in the event that this merger fails.
A fair question at this point would be: Why didn’t USAPA negotiate something up front, before we jumped on board with negotiations for the MOU? The answer is this: Although an effort was made to spring to the Kirby Proposal pay rates if the merger didn’t go through, that very reasonable request was denied by management. We had union leadership that has been all-in since their first briefing by Parker and Kirby in April of 2012, and the officers lead us to the MOU with the hopes that a merger would in fact be the quickest way to a better contract. We certainly hope everyone sees the massive failure here with 20-20 hindsight, and now vow to correct the lack of contingent protections.
Management appears to expect our automatic and continued support. The PHL and CLT Domicile representatives are reluctant to continue our unconditional support for Doug Parker’s merger without some assurances, insurance, protections and mutual respect for all those who made this merger possible, including the US Airways pilots who have faithfully and continually delivered time and again to protect the strong East Coast presence and network which makes this merger so desirable.
No US Airways pilot needs to be reminded that we have suffered under bankruptcy wages and work rules and without a raise for almost ten years. In fact, the recent delay can be directly attributed to US Airways Management (with the assistance of the NMB), who focused their attention on negotiating with the APA on our behalf and what was to be a pending merger.
Since April 18, 2012, USAPA has spent most of its time and effort supporting the proposed merger. While there was always the possibility the DOJ would take issue with some aspects of the merger, we didn’t think anyone ever believed they would attempt to prevent the merger outright.
While we hope the merger will occur, there is always the possibility that it will not. And if it doesn’t occur, US Airways pilots will essentially be back to square one with respect to negotiating a new collective bargaining agreement. When negotiations ceased two years ago, the Company hadn’t moved off of their original, sub-standard proposal in any meaningful way.
In light of the record profits they are reporting, we should be far north of anything they offered in 2007. We believe if the merger does not occur, it is not unreasonable to require the Company to commit to the same aggressive negotiating schedule it displayed with APA, where an entire agreement was crafted in just a few weeks. Unfortunately, we were told last week by USAPA President Hummel that US Airways’ President Scott Kirby has no intention in negotiating quickly with us, and once again plans to use the seniority issue as the excuse. So here we sit, having supported the merger, our livelihoods diminished, our retirements mostly gone, much of our flying outsourced….and yet, rest assured, our top management is doing quite well, merger or no merger.
All this said, if you still feel the need to provide unsolicited support and enable our management to continue with “business as usual” when it comes to how they treat their front line employees, then please provide us your reasoning and we will include it with all the other input we have been receiving. From our vantage point, and from what many pilots are telling us, we are at the point of ambivalence. This merger will be a quick remedy for many of our current issues, but when you consider that the entire ordeal before the DOJ and the courts, simply put, it is out of our hands. We are not piloting this merger; we are in the last row of the jet. If all else fails we must be prepared to stand up for ourselves should the DOJ prevail in keeping American and US Airways separate. Bill McKee Steve Crimi Dewitt Ingram CLT Chairman Vice Chairman Vice Chairman Paul DiOrio Paul Music John Taylor PHL Chariman Vice Chairman Vice
Chairman
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Yep, You worthless pieces of SCAB Schitt aren't worth the electrons to notify you of such. You're the lowest paid POS in the industry and will be forever. BTW, Nobody....and I mean NOBODY cares about you, your families, your "sacrafice", your want's, your expectations, you're percieved "worth"...Nothing. NOBODY.
You have nothing. Every time a Flight Attendent brings you a diet coke, Thank Jesus. It's 1000x more than you deserve. Karma's a #### and she hasn't stopped beating the tar out of you yet.
COMEDY WRITING AT IT'S BEST!!!!!!! THANKS A MILLION PHL/CLT SCABS!!!!
(btw, whomever has spent years writing this crap, loves to say "make no mistake"...which is the height of Irony as it's the only thing this Aszhole has ever encouraged you to do...at over a Billion lost dollars later, I'd say he's pretty effective)
How would you know? You and Gay have been in orbit for years.
Your mother must be excited at your verbal veracity.
American HR must cringe. The rejects from decades ago come full circle. At least the FBI was on to you from the beginning with the polygraph.
This is the idiot who rants about LCC accepting the Nic when they just shoved that grievance back across the table.
Nice one Denver. That got them where it hurts. BTW, did you spend all your LoA93 in one place? Meow come those west pilots have more vacation than us?
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WOW. You do realize that the company reads (and I'm sure chronicles) these kind of web boards. That's the kind of thing I would expect from Claxon, Mut or Luv. I would say that both of those gentlemen are just fine. They have successfully kept the company on "neutral ground" whilst they kept you in bankruptcy wages for the past 5 1/2 years. That action alone kept over $800,000,000.00 in the company's pocket (and not in yours).
I really don't know what the status is of the "grievances on the NIC". I'm much too busy with other things. Lots of preparation for the upcoming events.
Have a great day RR!
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You know Denver, you used to have somewhat respectful posts. Not so much lately. I think it testifies to how truly desperate the USAPA faithful have become recently.
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Could you imagine flying with that guy?
Just listen to his briefing.
Ouch Denver. You in a bad mood or sauced up tonight? Just because I disagree with your mentality and your willingness to embrace LoA93 for the long term (especially when you voted against it), doesn't mean I'm west. I'm an east pilot burned out on the stupid antics of other east pilots. I swear most of the east guys traded in their common sense for those mustaches they wear.
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The Company already knows they are liars and thieves, and my own BPR reps just told them that again. I don't think they would be offended at the truth from me, they could care less. And how about that, a sitting union rep defending the integrity of Management. They are also probably not interested in anonymous web board postings making fun of our accidents and calling us scabs. You say they are "neutral" and you are"..much too busy with other things." Right. I will have a great day laughing at both of those observations. RR
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You have to be proud of that big brother management. Frat boy antics endanger another merger. Meanwhile, the worlds largest pork producer, Smithfield, has an easier time getting sold to the Chinese than Parker does in merger attempt after another. I think the DOJ has already clued in on his dysfunctional labor relations that you are so proud of.
Can't wait for some of the grilling he is going to get along with his sleaze ball legal team.
A pile of Smithfield bacon will fare better than the LCC mgt team on the grill. Those e mails to Delta are the tip of the iceberg.
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Read the joint BPR update, twice. Won't dispute the past facts; grievances against the company, the arbitrators, the courts, etc. The letter reads like a blues ballad. We've been done wrong. We sacrificed so much. We get no respect. BTW, Hummel's update is almost diametrically opposed in its point of view.
Bottom line is this, the author/authors of that letter and whoever shares that point of view are pulling on levers - that aren't connected to a darn thing. There are no cables! The union is under a permanent injunction. An injunction which was crafted, promoted and choreographed by the same faction. What exactly is the 'strategerie' going forward? Ask the company for guarantees, so they can refuse as they did the request to spring forward to the Kirby, as the update mentions? Followed by a yet another strongly worded letter or update of outrage? Another blues ballad?
Best hope for improving the careers of the pilots here is for the union to refrain from making any noise whatsoever. Let the stakeholders with any real leverage settle this issue with the DOJ, either in or out of court.
If the merger tanks, all we can hope for is a decisive, final resolution to the Addington dispute. But let no one harbor the illusion that we have any leverage while both the union and the pilot group is split. Just recall what one famous president said regarding a house divided.
'84
Bottom line is this, the author/authors of that letter and whoever shares that point of view are pulling on levers - that aren't connected to a darn thing. There are no cables! The union is under a permanent injunction. An injunction which was crafted, promoted and choreographed by the same faction. What exactly is the 'strategerie' going forward? Ask the company for guarantees, so they can refuse as they did the request to spring forward to the Kirby, as the update mentions? Followed by a yet another strongly worded letter or update of outrage? Another blues ballad?
Best hope for improving the careers of the pilots here is for the union to refrain from making any noise whatsoever. Let the stakeholders with any real leverage settle this issue with the DOJ, either in or out of court.
If the merger tanks, all we can hope for is a decisive, final resolution to the Addington dispute. But let no one harbor the illusion that we have any leverage while both the union and the pilot group is split. Just recall what one famous president said regarding a house divided.
'84
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You are correct, they could care less and thank you for LOA93.
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