August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Claxon]

I do not think that was a CATIII production.

Not the same quality, and no credits.


Oh, and BTW, the Nic is still the only accepted system seniority list at LCC. Which makes guys like Cleary PFJ.

Sure, if you call a grievance denial an acceptance ceremony.

 

[767one]

Yea right, it's pretty stupid to use the unapproved method right there for people to see. This is a pattern of not following our procedures such as single-engine taxi. I brought that up in training last month and the West complies while the East falls far short.

Safety as a weapon? I see things as black and white. Either you are following the procedures or not. It's your side who screams safety to further your objectives with the company. It stinks to high heaven much like your USA Today ad which trashed the company abd resulted in extra training for some East pilots.

What's known around the industry is your attacks on ALPA pilots. I still wear my ALPA pin rather than that USAPA garbage. I don't want to be seen as one of those who busted the union at this airway.

I must say that single engine taxi is one of those gray areas. Not too many years ago the company did not push single engine taxi on the widebody aircraft and for that matter the 757 for safety reasons. Along comes the increase in fuel costs and it becomes the procedure to taxi single engine which I could only read one way....since single engine taxi is cheaper it must be safer. All well and good until you start talking about heavy aircraft on international flights that sometimes will not move at all on one engine once you stop and then only at near takeoff thrust which is for sure a safety problem for any aircraft behind you. I would of course if stuck in a long unmoving line of traffic shut one or both engines down assuming the remaining engine and or apu is sufficient for passenger comfort. The bean counters see every procedure that results in an ontime arrival or departure or a procedure that saves money as the proper procedure. It is up to us to apply the procedure in the safest manner.

Regards,

Bob

 

[nic4us]

Sure, if you call a grievance denial an acceptance ceremony.

Which grievance would that be? The LOA93 loser, or the follow on 3% loser?

It is getting tough keeping track of all the loser grievances uscaba has filed.

But, I should give credit where credit is due, the min block hour grievance the West filed when the company furloughed out of seniority and let the east scab jobs, was won and paid!

 

[Claxon]

Which grievance would that be? The LOA93 loser, or the follow on 3% loser?

It is getting tough keeping track of all the loser grievances uscaba has filed.

But, I should give credit where credit is due, the min block hour grievance the West filed when the company furloughed out of seniority and let the east scab jobs, was won and paid!

That would be the "prize" SCAB, the Nic list that was UN ACCEpted.

 

[EastUS1]

Yea right, it's pretty stupid to use the unapproved method right there for people to see.

"for people to see" indeed, and "pretty stupid" does not even begin to address that discussion.

In current times; only the most hopeless imbecile would see fit to even start up a discussion of ANY aspect of entry/access procedures on a public board at all. Period.

How truly "professional". Words fail to adequately serve here, so I suppose just "This is sparta!!!" will have to suffice.

 

[EastUS1]

I must say that single engine taxi is one of those gray areas. Not too many years ago the company did not push single engine taxi on the widebody aircraft and for that matter the 757 for safety reasons. Along comes the increase in fuel costs and it becomes the procedure to taxi single engine which I could only read one way....since single engine taxi is cheaper it must be safer. All well and good until you start talking about heavy aircraft on international flights that sometimes will not move at all on one engine once you stop and then only at near takeoff thrust which is for sure a safety problem for any aircraft behind you. I would of course if stuck in a long unmoving line of traffic shut one or both engines down assuming the remaining engine and or apu is sufficient for passenger comfort. The bean counters see every procedure that results in an ontime arrival or departure or a procedure that saves money as the proper procedure. It is up to us to apply the procedure in the safest manner.

Agreed in full.

 

[EastUS1]

I still wear my ALPA pin rather than that USAPA garbage. I don't want to be seen as one of those who busted the union at this airway.

Well...IF a merger does take place; that'll be a sure-fire way to impress the APA folks. 😉

 

[Claxon]

I must say that single engine taxi is one of those gray areas. Not too many years ago the company did not push single engine taxi on the widebody aircraft and for that matter the 757 for safety reasons. Along comes the increase in fuel costs and it becomes the procedure to taxi single engine which I could only read one way....since single engine taxi is cheaper it must be safer. All well and good until you start talking about heavy aircraft on international flights that sometimes will not move at all on one engine once you stop and then only at near takeoff thrust which is for sure a safety problem for any aircraft behind you. I would of course if stuck in a long unmoving line of traffic shut one or both engines down assuming the remaining engine and or apu is sufficient for passenger comfort. The bean counters see every procedure that results in an ontime arrival or departure or a procedure that saves money as the proper procedure. It is up to us to apply the procedure in the safest manner.

Regards,

Bob

Great post describing Us Airways management vs pilot in command decisions.

Nice job in being tactful to the west pilots who have no understanding of wide body aircraft procedures because they have none and will not for many years.

 

[Claxon]

Yea right, it's pretty stupid to use the unapproved method right there for people to see. This is a pattern of not following our procedures such as single-engine taxi. I brought that up in training last month and the West complies while the East falls far short.

Safety as a weapon? I see things as black and white. Either you are following the procedures or not. It's your side who screams safety to further your objectives with the company. It stinks to high heaven much like your USA Today ad which trashed the company abd resulted in extra training for some East pilots.

What's known around the industry is your attacks on ALPA pilots. I still wear my ALPA pin rather than that USAPA garbage. I don't want to be seen as one of those who busted the union at this airway.

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/union:-us-airways-forcing-pilots-to-fly-unsafe-planes

 

[Claxon]

Dangerous situation. an airline ceo offerning american pilots 100,000 dollars equity and west pilots super seniority if they see things the "company way."

 

[Claxon]

American pilots back merger, such courage. If the merger goes through, american pilots get 100,000 each in equity. No pay cuts. No furloughs. Pension.

If the merger is not approved, apa pilots do not get 100,000 equity. They will have their pay cut. There will be furloughed pilots and they will lose their pension.

apa pilots are for the merger, how existential.

 

[Claxon]

https://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/AboutAPA/APAPublicNews/tabid/843/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/3451/DCA-Fly-In-Bankruptcy-Court-Response-to-US-Trustee.aspx

 

[im back..!!]

snapthis, on 20 September 2013 - 08:16 AM, said:
I still wear my ALPA pin rather than that USAPA garbage. I don't want to be seen as one of those who busted the union at this airway.

Well...IF a merger does take place; that'll be a sure-fire way to impress the APA folks.
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LOL......too funny....

 

[Portly Dorman]

Another non sequitur? Really? What's with you guys, just tell Judge Silver what immediate and direct harm the West is experiencing so she can correct her manifest legal blunder. If you think the bankruptcy judge is doing something wrong then by all means help him out too, but they are separate issues. 🙂

Just applying the 'ripeness' test PHX.

 

[Phoenix]

Just applying the 'ripeness' test PHX.

To what?