August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[nic4us]

I like this video better....the master at double crossing singing a song about....yup..double crossing!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSGralJK2is

 

[Pi brat]

and calls AAA a second tier airline that was formed from a long string of almost bankrupt commuters in it 73 year history

Man, you are as ignorant about airline history as anything else. In 2005 US Airways traced it's history back to the 1930's. AWA, only back to 1983 and it still beat US Airways to chapter 11.

Piedmont Airlines-ATW's 1984 Airline of the Year. When did AWA receive that honor?

 

[nycbusdriver]

I am not sure I can agree Article III jurisdiction is new territory.

I think I covered that under the phrase: appealable decisions.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

I thought that grievance about publishing the nic list was the stupidest thing I'd heard of, I didn't even log onto that site, much less do anything else to help further it. I already knew what the answer would be. That said, BFD. The east isn't exactly making much headway with the DOH list either. We're all still being played the fool. Bottom line in my opinion, none of us know exactly where we stand. And if there is no merger, the legal system isn't going to help us find out any time soon either.

 

[Pi brat]

Bottom line in my opinion, none of us know exactly where we stand. And if there is no merger, the legal system isn't going to help us find out any time soon either.

Agreed and I'd add that only Judge Silver knows what she is thinking!

 

[Barrister]

"uscaba says"......who asked them anyway?

"US Airways says"...you got that one wrong...LCC says and testified as much in federal court, that the only accepted system seniority list at LCC is the Nic, and that they consider it "status quo" as per the RLA.

What makes the Nic STAND as our current list is the fact that there are ratified contracts in LOA93, contract 2004 and the TA that all say Nic is the staus quo at LCC.

Uscaba inherited all the contracts and the Nic.

Your moronic ways never end. NEVER ratified.....NEVER part of a contract CANNOT ever be the status quo......please educate yourself. You appear quite ignorant. NICDOA....NPJB

 

[Reed Richards]

Again, I have no inside info on that grievance,,,,I have been trying to find out for some time now.

Who filed it? Who denied it? Was it even denied? Is the scab union going to fulfill their DFR and peruse the grievance, or are they going to drop yet another West grievance?

And, BTW, the grievance is over a contract 2004 issue, not the company's acceptance or denial of the Nic.

If, and it is a big if I highly doubt, the company is now rejecting that they accepted the Nic, and that the Nic is status quo at LCC, well then all I can say is COLLUSION with a scab union and they are back on the hook big time.

You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You deny knowledge of the phantom grievance, yet make arguments. As to collusion, the Company is an equal opportunity employer when it comes to stabbing both East and West pilot groups in the back. We are still bleeding from their sudden turnaround on ripeness and the MOU. Let me give you a hint as to what the “big story” will be in Silver’s courtroom, and I have already talked about this as a game of Clue. The focus of the trial, as defined by Silver and NOT Leo is whether USAPA did not give fair DFR to the West Class by not including the NIC in the MOU. The big reveal will be what individuals wrote the seniority language in the MOU, and who had eyes on it, when. I don’t really know the answer, but suspect it will be front and center in the trial. It just seems logical to me that with both sides having discovery on each other, and the both sides having discovery on the Company, we might be able to figure it out. I would like to say my guess is based on my “Spidy Sense”, but Parker (not THAT one!) hates it when I steal his catchphrase. It was probably Col. Mustard, in the study, with a candlestick. RR

 

[nycbusdriver]

....the legal system isn't going to help us find out any time soon either.

Truer words have never been spoken. Merger...or not.

 

[Reed Richards]

I thought that grievance about publishing the nic list was the stupidest thing I'd heard of, I didn't even log onto that site, much less do anything else to help further it.

So you were "pre-briefed" on the content of a website, but the link still ended up in front of you anyway, somehow, and you then chose not to click? Right. Does your wife buy that argument when she stumbles on your browsing history? The sheer number of West Class posters, one after the other, distancing themselves from this issue gives me pause. RR

 

[Pi brat]

Who filed it?

Really? thenicisit.com is no longer available, or you could see.

 

[CallawayGolf]

Any respect I had left for you just went out the door. They are sad and embarrassing.

Seriously? That's all it takes? You mean you see no humor in any of the videos, none whatsoever? I'll agree with you parts of them are sad, parts of them are over the top, parts of them are immature, and parts of them are witty and humorous. I'm willing to look objectively at the content and evalute it based on what I see, not what I personally think about one pilot group or the USAPA leaders, past or present.

What I don't get is why the east are so bothered by them. Did you watch them thinking you would find something of value in them or that they would support your views? Furthermore, why keep posting them over and over and over again if they bother the posters so much? My guess is that the nuggets of truth they contain (parts not all by any means) really get under the east pilots skin because of an extreme level of sensitivity.

I try to enjoy life as much as it depends on my own attitude. If someone makes fun of me I'll laugh with them rather than be offended ( which is not possible with me as I've told you before). If someone tries to be funny but fails, I just ignore them and go on about my day. Who was it who said, "I might not agree with anything you have to say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it"? That's pretty much my opinion on most any topic or subject.

 

[mrbreeze]

Again, I have no inside info on that grievance,,,,I have been trying to find out for some time now.

Who filed it? Who denied it? Was it even denied? Is the scab union going to fulfill their DFR and peruse the grievance, or are they going to drop yet another West grievance?

And, BTW, the grievance is over a contract 2004 issue, not the company's acceptance or denial of the Nic.

A little self contradiction, eh? You claim to know nothing, but do have some info to share....LOL. And we should believe anything you put out here? BS

 

[Reed Richards]

Heard that today at the BPR meeting, Mr. Flight Pay Loss himself, lame duck CLT rep DeWitt Ingram, is trying to give Cleary a 38K payday for “lost vacation.” Katy bar the door if it happens, every Officer and Committee member on AFB (full union pay, LOA 95) in the last 5 years will be coming forward with a similar claim. My guess as to the first three with similar claims would be, in order, Parrella, Mowrey, and DiOrio. RR

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

So you were "pre-briefed" on the content of a website, but the link still ended up in front of you anyway, somehow, and you then chose not to click? Right. Does your wife buy that argument when she stumbles on your browsing history? The sheer number of West Class posters, one after the other, distancing themselves from this issue gives me pause. RR

Not exactly. That was my way of saying you're making way to much of this. It was a hot topic among westies for a very short time. Most dismissed it out of hand right away. And the chearleaders for it dissapeared into the woodwork in fairly short order.

 

[Phoenix]

You can't change history with a remand to dismiss on lack of jurisdictional ripeness. The trial in Wake's courtroom did happen, the merits of the west claims against USAPA's actions were presented and reviewed by a judge and jury and USAPA lost. Since the Ninth claimed the federal courts lacked jurisdiction to hear the case, they never got to or made a legal determination on the merits, unless of course you review Bybee's dissenting opinion. Silver reviewed the Wake documents and agreed with the Company's position that the west pilots could indeed sue for damages for not implementing the NIC in a completed JCBA, even AFTER the Ninth's ruling on ripeness. Why is it so hard for you to admit what did and did not happen with Addington I with regards to merits vs. ripeness?

The west pilots are powerless to stop the Company and USAPA from negotiating for any seniority regime they choose, absent a injunction issued by a federal court. If all you have to do is send a letter to Management to have them change their position or take certain actions, why didn't the Company fire the VP of safety when USAPA asked demanded that they do so?

The truth is that Wake and Bybee stated that USAPA's actions were a clear DFR. Tashima, Graber and Silver have all used terms like dangerous ground, or unquestionably ripe, or may not bring the harm the west fears by way of cautioning USAPA to tread carefully in their mission to advocate for a different seniority regime than the NIC. The clear warnings from the Ninth and Silver were there to persuade USAPA to avoid future litigation by reviewing their DFR and acting accordingly and responsibly in light of the west pilot's rights granted under the TA and the NIC.

Vacated.