AWA ALPA Thread 11/11 to 11/17

[sharktooth]

You guys really need to consider that the law firm you are using has lost most drives than they've won.

Non sequitur. This is not a drive to bring a specific "union" to control. This is to dump ALPA. The worst that could happen is to empower the MEC and put them back into the drivers seat, where they belong. Indirectly, this is an attempt to save US because implementing the "nic" in any way, shape or form will, IMHO, bring on operational problems like you have never seen. You think PHL intl was a disaster last summer?

Nic won't go away with a change of representation.

No one said it ever would. It certainly can be rendered moot, however.

The west group needs to independently ratify any joint contract (thanks to the transition agreement). The language in the transition agreement specifically references ALPA merger policy. USAPA is stuck with the transition agreement.

Wrong, and you know it. Even if we were in an alternate reality and what you say is true, then it would allow USAPA to explore ALPA merger policy in a public venue, you know, the part about windfall.

And yes, Garland could absolutely win a DFR lawsuit. There is no legal reason to prohibit him from running for union office that would hold in court.

The operative word being, "could". I "could" win the lottery tomorrow, also. Garland is welcome to run for whatever office blows his skirt up. Run for President if he wants. If he has a lawsuit, it would not be with the US pilots.

All this effort, but you won't get a DOH integration with either HP or any future merger victi, err, partner airlines. Not gonna happen.

The US pilots will get tremendously more control over their lives than they ever got with ALPA. It may be LOS or whatever, but, it will not be "nic". Have a good day, sir!

 

[cactusboy53]

From the Journal of John Prater 14 November 2007

Dear Diary;
Well, it's Wednesday morning and one of my worst fears came to pass yesterday. The AAA pilots that are hell bent on replacing ALPA's union representation have finally filed the cards with the NMB.

I don't know what is happening! First two regional carriers elect to not have ALPA represent them (and one of them was Skywest - with no official union representation at all!!). Now this. I thought that I could stave off this drive if I delayed the delivery and hence the use of the Nicolau Award. I know it has really angered the AWA pilots and delayed the JNC process, but it was worth a shot. It seems that the EC may have been right. Afterall, the ALPA merger policy does state that ALPA National is to remain "neutral" in each merger process.

As soon as I get into the office, I'm going to call Doug Parker and make an appointment to deliver the Nicolau Award. I should have done this on May 6th. In an effort to educate the AAA pilots about the ALPA merger policy and the fact that it has not contained the term "date of hire" for well over a DECADE, I have alienated the America West Pilots these past six months. I hope they can forgive me.....

Today's interesting fact: At a $500,000 a year salary, I make $1369.86 every day!! Now, where did I put that container of oat meal...............I wonder if any other ALPA properties are watching my actions? ..............WWDWD (What would Duane Woerth Do??)??

 

[nostradamus]

catch 22

 

[Hawkhunter]

All this effort, but you won't get a DOH integration with either HP or any future merger victi, err, partner airlines. Not gonna happen.
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Maybe not, but the Westoffs wont be in OUR left seat anytime soon.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Yes, he can.

You guys really need to consider that the law firm you are using has lost most drives than they've won.

Nic won't go away with a change of representation. The west group needs to independently ratify any joint contract (thanks to the transition agreement). The language in the transition agreement specifically references ALPA merger policy. USAPA is stuck with the transition agreement.

And yes, Garland could absolutely win a DFR lawsuit. There is no legal reason to prohibit him from running for union office that would hold in court.

All this effort, but you won't get a DOH integration with either HP or any future merger victi, err, partner airlines. Not gonna happen.

He can file. No, he won't win. Besides who's going to pay for his attorney, You? ALPA? Him? All of you collectively? Have fun.

Already considered. Have a nice day.

When furloughs come to the west due to the protections (Yes, there are some protections left) in LOA93, you might think twice about a new CBA negotiated by USAPA.

Your opinion. I'm glad we had this discussion.

 

[ClueByFour]

Your opinion. I'm glad we had this discussion.

Look back thru the archives here to when USA320Pilot (Before the current problems) was busy telling me how a DOH arbitration ruling was a slam-dunk. Read the part where I basically predicted exactly what would happen with Nicolau.

I'm good with my opinion, and (to date) I've been way more accurate than all but the most pragmatic (both of them) Easties on this score.

But you guys go ahead and try to force a representational change that won't allow you to ditch Nicolau, will cost you more, and ultimately result in ALPA killing the lot of you in the next merger.

I'll say this: the East pilot group is hell bent on repeatedly demonstrating that stupid is, in fact, both contagious and naturally repeats.

 

[nostradamus]

Look back thru the archives here to when USA320Pilot (Before the current problems) was busy telling me how a DOH arbitration ruling was a slam-dunk. Read the part where I basically predicted exactly what would happen with Nicolau.

I'm good with my opinion, and (to date) I've been way more accurate than all but the most pragmatic (both of them) Easties on this score.

But you guys go ahead and try to force a representational change that won't allow you to ditch Nicolau, will cost you more, and ultimately result in ALPA killing the lot of you in the next merger.

I'll say this: the East pilot group is hell bent on repeatedly demonstrating that stupid is, in fact, both contagious and naturally repeats.

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[Bear96]

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He made perfect sense to me. Read much?

 

[nostradamus]

He made perfect sense to me. Read much?

“A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult meâ€￾

Frederick Douglass

 

[EastUS]

I'll say this: the East pilot group is hell bent on repeatedly demonstrating that stupid is, in fact, both contagious and naturally repeats.

Interesting. The east group's been "represented" by Alpo all along.....That would be during any/all periods you perceive as being "stupid". I've no quarrel with the thought that having Alpo as any "representation", especially for so many years after the institution had proved itself impotent, was, indeed...just plain stupid. Given that the east now seeks a complete change in representation...you're still tossing out the same blanket insult. One wonders, with some amusement, if any actions (other than your own) have ever seemed anything but "stupid" in your rather interestingly faceted mind. It really matters little.

The most recent offerings of "reasons" why "It'll never fly Orville" issuing from the west come as little surprise, and are but variations on the established themes posted here ever since Nic showed his farce...

 

[ableoneable]

“A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult meâ€￾

Frederick Douglass

"I hate quotes"

- Walt Whitman

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Look back thru the archives here to when USA320Pilot (Before the current problems) was busy telling me how a DOH arbitration ruling was a slam-dunk. Read the part where I basically predicted exactly what would happen with Nicolau.

I have always told everyone here reading his posts to not believe everything he says. Therefore I rarely read them unless they sparked a fury of responses from the likes of all the missing west posters.

I'm good with my opinion, and (to date) I've been way more accurate than all but the most pragmatic (both of them) Easties on this score.

Good for you. "I like confidence in a pilot". So our opinions differ. mine have been pretty good too.

But you guys go ahead and try to force a representational change that won't allow you to ditch Nicolau, will cost you more, and ultimately result in ALPA killing the lot of you in the next merger.

At least it will affect you too. Hopefully we'll still be apart at the next deal. "Breaking up is hard to do" but we'll get over it.

I'll say this: the East pilot group is hell bent on repeatedly demonstrating that stupid is, in fact, both contagious and naturally repeats.

Dumping ALPA is stupid? 47% of your pilots tried and failed. We won't.