AWA + USAir = Total Mistake

[Dog Wonder]

Then why has the West side of the operation consistently lost money both before and after the merger?

They are doing the best they can.

Remember the West has been run by these idiots a long time.

They are the future.

 

[Callsign_Cactus]

I think BoeingBoy explained some of the financial accounting practices used to pay for the merger and I believe a lot of the expenses are taken from the AWA books, but I may be wrong. Post merger, IMO you cannot compare financials since much of the CASM/RASM and ticket pricing is driven from a combined entity. If AWA was still independent, the whole financial picture changes, which affect revenue/expense modeling and strategy. Most of the east profits are from the international flights just like the other majors.

Then why has the West side of the operation consistently lost money both before and after the merger?

 

[PBI2FLL]

:huh: People please...can we stop all this bullshit hostility please??!! I'll tell ya what....I'm a 24 year agent on the east side and despite this lousy operation we're running right now that everyone is fed up with, including myself...THINK for a minute where we'd all be if this HP/US deal hadn't gone thru in September '05.....I don't know about any of you, but I was furloughed for 2 years shortly after 9/11 and I don't want to revisit that anytime soon.

It's all the previous "Crystal City" MONEY MONGERS we should be disgusted with. Those bastards walked away with outrageous golden parachutes and left us picking up the pieces of a slowly sinking ship...do you think that's right?? Do you think Wolf, Gangwal, Bronner or Siegel have a conscience? Perhaps they should donate to our pension fund and profit sharing pool?

I do believe Doug and Scott genuinely care about the future of US Airways and it's employees....do they have alot of work to do? YOU BET. They've ADMITTED and taken accountability for the RES MIGRATION debacle. Did they bite off more than they can chew? Maybe so...but I think we'll pull out of this, WE HAVE TO! Does anybody remember the Piedmont integration and how successful that was after August 5, 1989?? How long did that take to get operations running smoothly?

All I can say is we all have to stop this negativity, step up to the plate, work together as a team and make this airline one we can be PROUD of again...WE'VE done it before and WE can do it again!

 

[NCFL]

How about all the holes you put in the ground during the 90s, was that top notch?

Cheap shot. And totally uncalled for, you bastard.
HP doesn't have any holes in the desert because it hasn't been around long enough for the law of averages to catch up with it.
I got my driver's license before you fools were even in business...and you have the gall to lecture?
Plebs. Frosh. Newbies.
Yes, I'm name calling. And it feels good.
I'll say it again: insensitive bastard. Hundreds of people DIED -- including crew and family, and you have the balls to throw that out. Screw you.

If this earns me time in suspension from the board, so be it. 1994 (US1016 and US427) was a horrible, tragic year and nobody should be permitted to spit that in the face of anyone.

 

[SegmentKing]

Speaking of Crystal City, we all bi#@*#$ about them too... just seems we're screaming more about what Tempe is doing.

Crystal City may have been totally mismanaged and dillusional, but we had a family. We were a proud workforce that did whatever it took to take care of our customers. I was one of them.

Now with the merger, we've lost our hopes and morale after seeing that we've even "out done" Southwest in going cheap. Some people liked to compare America West to the "Walmart of the skies", but with the merger it seems like we are now the Big Lots of the sky.

America West did a lot right and was growing from a really shabby operation, courtesy of Franke. Flight Fund used to win award after award, the employees, while young, were also a proud workforce. But with this merger, they took the worst of both operations and used them, it appears.

:/

 

[Callsign_Cactus]

You can bury your head in the sand and pretend it didn't happen, but me, I point to facts and the facts say US was not the "top notch" airline Mr. whomever claims it was. Anytime the east wants to stop throwing stones and provoking me, I'll reciprocate.

Cheap shot. And totally uncalled for, you bastard.
HP doesn't have any holes in the desert because it hasn't been around long enough for the law of averages to catch up with it.
I got my driver's license before you fools were even in business...and you have the gall to lecture?
Plebs. Frosh. Newbies.
Yes, I'm name calling. And it feels good.
I'll say it again: insensitive bastard. Hundreds of people DIED -- including crew and family, and you have the balls to throw that out. Screw you.

If this earns me time in suspension from the board, so be it. 1994 (US1016 and US427) was a horrible, tragic year and nobody should be permitted to spit that in the face of anyone.

 

[SegmentKing]

How about all the holes you put in the ground during the 90s, was that top notch? I’ve been here longer than you think.

If HP was ever the size of US, flew the routes it flew, into the markets it was in, I bet you $20 a few of your friends would be dead too.

you need to #### off.

 

[YVINTERN]

If HP was ever the size of US, flew the routes it flew, into the markets it was in, I bet you $20 a few of your friends would be dead too.

you need to #### off.

Damn right...

 

[Mr Furlough]

How about all the holes you put in the ground during the 90s, was that top notch?
I’ve been here longer than you think.

Callsign_Cactus,

Normally, I regard your post as being simply childish. However this statement I find seriously offending. As those pilots whom lost their lives in these accidents were my pilots. I, in fact knew some of them personally. You should be ashamed of yourself for making such a statement. Especially in absense of the facts surrounding these tragic events.

To maintain the credibility of these airmen, as well as my company, lets take a look at some of the facts related to these "holes in the ground" you so callously advance:

Boeing 737 accident in LAX-controller cleared our flight to land on a runway in which there was a commuter aircraft in "position" without any aircraft lights illuminated. It was nighttime. And I would challenge anyone whom has ever landed in LA at night to see that aircraft. Pilots were killed, passengers and flight crew killed/badly burned. Hardly our fault. The NTSB agreed.

F-28 in LGA. Aircraft departed gate after being deiced. After a prolonged taxi, crew returned to the gate for another application of deicing fluid. On takeoff roll, super cooled slush from the runway was directed outboard from the aircrafts chime nosewheel. Said slush/water froze to the wings while being accelerated over the lift producing wings during T/O roll. Result, Captain killed, many passengers killed and injured. Fokker was found to be negligent in the crash and deicing procedures were changed industry wide as a result.

Flight 427, 737-400 over PIT. Crew was being vectored for approach at 6000', or 5000' AGL. The aircraft experienced a rudder hardover. The aircraft rolled over into an uncontrollable upset. Result, all crew and passengers were killed. Usairways became the first airline to develop rudder hardover training, and Boeing has since begun to change out it's faulty design industry wide. Since that time, there has been no further rudder events recorded.

Boeing 737 departed runway in LGA due to a rudder trim runaway. You may be too young to get your arms around this one. But the 737 used to have a rudder trim switch that could be activated, and stuck in the full trim position from pilots climbing over the pedestal (accidentally bumping the swith) while getting seated. I believe 4 people lost their lives in this one. Result, Boeing changed all the rudder trim switches industry wide.

And finally, DC-9 in CLT. Winshier. In terms of air traffic control, CLT is divided in half. A strong cell was located within the western half of the airport. The DC-9 inbound from the east was never advised buy either the atis, nor the controller that the cell was there. They were in fact, cleared for a visual approach. The DC-9s windshear detection system is deactivated during flap changes-the precise moment these guys needed it. They encountered what is the strongest micoburst on record. They fought that microburst admirably and bravely-saving a number of lives. Unfortunately, many lives were lost, and the B flight attendant sustained serious burns.

So that ends the lesson sonny boy. I for one think you owe us all an apology for your caulis remark. But more importantly, seek and get some help. Something isn't right with you.

 

[Travels2mch]

How about all the holes you put in the ground during the 90s, was that top notch?

You're an A$$.....no matter what beef is up your butt, and this whole fight between the east and west, you have no right to disrespect the memory of the people that lost their lives in these tragic events. You are a real class act, and this comment proves it.

 

[EastUS]

You can bury your head in the sand .....

From a Sandcastle supporter? Desert Dweller?..Thanks: I needed that 😉

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

but even in our darkest hour, NEVER did we run an operation like the one that is being run today.

I remember THE Christmas meltdown when I thought we were definently? gone. Did The U run that or was it AWA?

 

[YVINTERN]

I remember THE Christmas meltdown when I thought we were definently? gone. Did The U run that or was it AWA?

Two words...well...one...Philthy...

So US East but inspired by US West for this Baggage Mishandling...

 

[rjh]

Just because the east side is showing a profit for the overall operation, that doesn't mean it would be doing the same as a standalone carrier. What are the details of how non-operational expenses are booked? Maybe the administrative costs (salaries for coprate employees, etc) are booked to the west ..thereby reducing profit on that side.

HP wasn't a large carrier, and it never would have been on its own. But who really cares? Maybe Shares doesn't work for the combined airlnie, but it worked just fine for HP. Maybe management isn't doing a great job with the combined airline, but they did a great job with HP. The HP employees are just as professional and knowleddgable as the east employees.

 

[as the prop turns]

Oh, it was definitely USAir. I think Lakefield was the CEO at the time. I work in PHL and I remember the employees going to management and telling them that if they did not up the staffing, there was going to be a melt down (just as we warned HP several years later that if they went to this crap computer system, there was going to be a melt down). Well, they didn't listen to us, and said they had it covered. 16 ramp agents per concourse to load/unload aircraft (we have about 40 gates if not a few more in PHL). After the company publicly blamed the employees, the DOT came in and did an independent investigation and found that it was due to US Air's blatant understaffing that was the root of the problem. We are still waiting for our apology.