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I keep forgetting how you know everything and what ever you say is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth and there are no other options.

Just for grins, was higher education available to the middle class more before the dept of ed was created? No. Higher education was always a bastion of the well to do. Yale and Harvard were more out of reach before. While the 'free money' may have increased the cost of education, more people are able to get the education they want. The shame is that the schools have become greedy and increased their tuition. The cost of education has not increased as much as the price of education. More money on the student side does not explain the higher price of education on the school side. You can blow all the hot air you want but your cause and affect does not hold water.

The same goes for medical care. More money does not explain higher prices. Their cost have increased due to the advancements in technology but nothing I have read indicates that their cost are anywhere near their prices.
 
Just for grins, was higher education available to the middle class more before the dept of ed was created?

Apparently it was since Dr & Mrs Paul worked each other through school. Their families came from very modest means growing up outside of Pittsburgh, PA, I'm pretty sure there were no student loans when Dr King went to college.

You're entitled to your Liberty! Everything else you have to EARN.

As to a college education. For 8 years I worked with a guy who got his MBA (No gov loans) from Rutgers and I'm telling you as sure as I have a hole in my arse he couldn't write a simple paragraph to save his life. I helped him write EVERY major proposal he ever delivered. Got us both to President's Club several times. I've never gotten a degree and for nearly 30 years everyone in my work group are MBA's.

College was far more affordable in my time in real dollar terms then it is now. As the article shows, higher education vost have risen 130% and in the same period real wages have not kept pace or even close.

I haven't run the numbers but my guess is that when tuition and debt service on the loans are factored in a college education has likely risen far more than the 130% mentioned and it all started around the time of the creation of the US Dept of Education. Where is it written in the COTUS that the Feds can confiscates my wages to give a grant so your two Peckerwoods can go to College? Show me? You Can't!

My Dad passed when I was 13, I went to work FULL Time and graduated High School and a trade school. Boo F*cking Hoo, where's my Lollipop? So what? I started out with my hand on the shitty end of the stick! Again So What? I did the best I could and now I've been selected to be on a panel to rewrite a certification exam. I'm one of 12 worldwide. I'm also the only one without an MBA once again. I'm not that bright, however I do leverage what skills I have better than most. When you suckle at the hind teet of the government hog you become lazy and complacent. if kids had to pay their way through do you think there would be as much drinking and whoring going on?
 
I keep forgetting how you know everything and what ever you say is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth and there are no other options.Pot calling kettle black IMHO :lol:

Just for grins, was higher education available to the middle class more before the dept of ed was created? No. Higher education was always a bastion of the well to do.

Duh.....as a matter of fact it was......

Wiki

In 1965, Congress passed the Higher Education Act of 1965(HEA). President Lyndon B. Johnson implemented the HEA as a part of his administration’s agenda to assist and improve higher education in the United States. This was the initial legislation to benefit students of lower and middle-income. The HEA program not only included grants but also low interest loans to students who did not fully qualify to receive grants. 😱

Higher Education Act of 1965

Higher Education Amendments of 1972

Middle Income Student Assistance Act of 1978

Grants and scholarships have been the advantage for lesser income families for quite some time.

DOE was and is a butt kiss to teacher unions.

You insinuate more gov't better education. See the videos where late teens and early twenties people are asked questions about historical facts most should know about our country?
 
Link to Sandra Fluke's actual testimony to Congress that led to Rush Limbaugh calling her a slut and a prostitute. I think she makes a good case with her thoughtful remarks. I think it is worth posting the entire testimony to go ahead and stop the stupid speculation that would inevitably start by those who choose the read the spun stories instead of actually going to the source.

Full text below:

Leader Pelosi, Members of Congress, good morning, and thank you for calling this hearing on women’s health and allowing me to testify on behalf of the women who will benefit from the Affordable Care Act contraceptive coverage regulation. My name is Sandra Fluke, and I’m a third year student at Georgetown Law, a Jesuit school. I’m also a past president of Georgetown Law Students for Reproductive Justice or LSRJ. I’d like to acknowledge my fellow LSRJ members and allies and all of the student activists with us and thank them for being here today.

Georgetown LSRJ is here today because we’re so grateful that this regulation implements the nonpartisan, medical advice of the Institute of Medicine. I attend a Jesuit law school that does not provide contraception coverage in its student health plan. Just as we students have faced financial, emotional, and medical burdens as a result, employees at religiously affiliated hospitals and universities across the country have suffered similar burdens. We are all grateful for the new regulation that will meet the critical health care needs of so many women. Simultaneously, the recently announced adjustment addresses any potential conflict with the religious identity of Catholic and Jesuit institutions.

When I look around my campus, I see the faces of the women affected, and I have heard more and more of their stories. On a daily basis, I hear from yet another woman from Georgetown or other schools or who works for a religiously affiliated employer who has suffered financial, emotional, and medical burdens because of this lack of contraceptive coverage. And so, I am here to share their voices and I thank you for allowing them to be heard.

Without insurance coverage, contraception can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school. For a lot of students who, like me, are on public interest scholarships, that’s practically an entire summer’s salary. Forty percent of female students at Georgetown Law report struggling financially as a result of this policy. One told us of how embarrassed and powerless she felt when she was standing at the pharmacy counter, learning for the first time that contraception wasn’t covered, and had to walk away because she couldn’t afford it. Women like her have no choice but to go without contraception. Just last week, a married female student told me she had to stop using contraception because she couldn’t afford it any
longer. Women employed in low wage jobs without contraceptive coverage face the same choice.

You might respond that contraception is accessible in lots of other ways. Unfortunately, that’s not true. Women’s health clinics provide vital medical services, but as the Guttmacher Institute has documented, clinics are unable to meet the crushing demand for these services. Clinics are closing and women are being forced to go without. How can Congress consider the Fortenberry, Rubio, and Blunt legislation that would allow even more employers and institutions to refuse contraceptive coverage and then respond that the non-profit clinics should step up to take care of the resulting medical crisis, particularly when so many legislators are attempting to defund those very same clinics?

These denials of contraceptive coverage impact real people. In the worst cases, women who need this medication for other medical reasons suffer dire consequences. A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome and has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy. Under many religious institutions’ insurance plans, it wouldn’t be, and under Senator Blunt’s amendment, Senator Rubio’s bill, or Representative Fortenberry’s bill, there’s no requirement that an exception be made for such medical needs. When they do exist, these exceptions don’t accomplish their well-intended goals because when you let university administrators or other employers, rather than women and their doctors, dictate whose medical needs are legitimate and whose aren’t, a woman’s health takes a back seat to a bureaucracy focused on policing her body.

In sixty-five percent of cases, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed these prescriptions and whether they were lying about their symptoms. For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor. Her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted the birth control to prevent pregnancy. She’s gay, so clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy. After months of paying over $100 out of pocket, she just couldn’t afford her medication anymore and had to stop taking it.

I learned about all of this when I walked out of a test and got a message from her that in the middle of her final exam period she’d been in the emergency room all night in excruciating pain. She wrote, “It was so painful, I woke up thinking I’d been shot.” Without her taking the birth control, a massive cyst the size of a tennis ball had grown on her ovary. She had to have surgery to remove her entire ovary. On the morning I was originally scheduled to give this testimony, she sat in a doctor’s office. Since last year’s surgery, she’s been experiencing night sweats, weight gain, and other symptoms of early menopause as a result of the removal of her ovary. She’s 32 years old. As she put it: “If my body indeed does enter early menopause, no fertility specialist in the world will be able to help me have my own children. I will have no chance at giving my mother her desperately desired grandbabies, simply because the insurance policy that I paid for totally unsubsidized by my school wouldn’t cover my prescription for birth control when I needed it.” Now, in addition to potentially facing the health complications that come with having menopause at an early age-- increased risk of cancer, heart disease, and osteoporosis, she may never be able to conceive a child.

Perhaps you think my friend’s tragic story is rare. It’s not. One woman told us doctors believe she has endometriosis, but it can’t be proven without surgery, so the insurance hasn’t been willing to cover her medication. Recently, another friend of mine told me that she also has polycystic ovarian syndrome. She’s struggling to pay for her medication and is terrified to not have access to it. Due to the barriers erected by Georgetown’s policy, she hasn’t been reimbursed for her medication since last August. I sincerely pray that we don’t have to wait until she loses an ovary or is diagnosed with cancer before her needs and the needs of all of these women are taken seriously.

This is the message that not requiring coverage of contraception sends. A woman’s reproductive healthcare isn’t a necessity, isn’t a priority. One student told us that she knew birth control wasn’t covered, and she assumed that’s how Georgetown’s insurance handled all of women’s sexual healthcare, so when she was raped, she didn’t go to the doctor even to be examined or tested for sexually transmitted infections because she thought insurance wasn’t going to cover something like that, something that was related to a woman’s reproductive health. As one student put it, “this policy communicates to female students that our school doesn’t understand our needs.” These are not feelings that male fellow students experience. And they’re not burdens that male students must shoulder.

In the media lately, conservative Catholic organizations have been asking: what did we expect when we enrolled at a Catholic school? We can only answer that we expected women to be treated equally, to not have our school create untenable burdens that impede our academic success. We expected that our schools would live up to the Jesuit creed of cura personalis, to care for the whole person, by meeting all of our medical needs. We expected that when we told our universities of the problems this policy created for students, they would help us. We expected that when 94% of students opposed the policy, the university would respect our choices regarding insurance students pay for completely unsubsidized by the university. We did not expect that women would be told in the national media that if we wanted comprehensive insurance that met our needs, not just those of men, we should have gone to school elsewhere, even if that meant a less prestigious university. We refuse to pick between a quality education and our health, and we
resent that, in the 21st century, anyone thinks it’s acceptable to ask us to make this choice simply because we are women.

Many of the women whose stories I’ve shared are Catholic women, so ours is not a war against the church. It is a struggle for access to the healthcare we need. The President of the Association of Jesuit Colleges has shared that Jesuit colleges and universities appreciate the modification to the rule announced last week. Religious concerns are addressed and women get the healthcare they need. That is something we can all agree on. Thank you.
 
I never understand why people make such a big stink about the things that people like Limbaugh, Coulter, Stern, O'Reilly Sharp ton, Jackson, Oberman and the rest say. These people are entertainers. They make their money by keeping their name in the news so they can sell books, advertising or what ever. They have to say outlandish and stupid things because they have nothing else. The people who watch these entertainers are not intelligent enough to read or listen to intelligent conversations. These entertainers cater to the lowest common denominator of our society. So I do not understand why we are surprised when a convicted junky calls a third year law student at Cornell a slut. He is doing his job.

I think we should be more upset at the people who watch or listen to these people for anything more than entertainment. But even that crosses the line with some of these people who spew a hatred that is in my opinion damaging.
 
Rights are conferred through Natural Law and by our Creator. Women do NOT have rights! INDIVIDUALS Have Rights. The young sexually active woman who has created this furor has the absolute right to live her life as she chooses. However she does NOT have the right to demand that 280 million people fund that same lifestyle as a matter of public policy. While I applaud her for being responsible as she fornicates with half of Georgetown. Her expectation that the rest of us take over a portion of the costs associated with her lifestyle is both self centered and not in keeping with the notion that with Individual Liberty comes INDIVIDUAL Responsibility
 
...as she fornicates with half of Georgetown.
Please show me where you derived that information.

I posted her comments in their entirety hoping to prevent people like you from jumping on the "slut" bandwagon. It is obvious you just could not help yourself.

Sad.
 
Please show me where you derived that information.

I posted her commetns in their entirety hoping to prevent people like you from jumping on the "slut" bandwagon. It is obvious you just could not help yourself.

Sad.

It shows the depth of understanding which keeps Rush Limbaugh on the radio.
 
Please show me where you derived that information.

I posted her commetns in their entirety hoping to prevent people like you from jumping on the "slut" bandwagon. It is obvious you just could not help yourself.

Sad.

it's called "Dramatic License" Look it up. It helps emphasize the point that whether Slut or Virgin she has the Individual rights to live her life as she chooses, just not the right to demand we subsidize it via the government.

I make no value judgement as whomever she chooses to have sex with be it one partner a thousand times or a thousand partners one time if she isn't having sex with me, I shouldn't have to hear about it or fund it.
 
it's called "Dramatic License" Look it up.
You chose the "fornicates with half of Georgetown" , when I posted her comments that showed nothing to substantiate your obvious inflammatory commentary.

Some would call that "per se" defamation. Look it up.

I am sure Ms. Fluke knows the definition without having to "look it up".
 
I call it lying and BS. All it shows is that he never even read the speech. Big surprise.

I wonder if the people saying we should not fund contraceptives would apply the same standard to cancer, obesity, and every other disease. A little over half the US population is female and 98% of them have used contraceptives at one time or another during their life. Add to that the men who support the right a female to have access to insurance covered contraceptives and I am pretty sure we have a over whelming majority.
 
I call it lying and BS. All it shows is that he never even read the speech. Big surprise.

I wonder if the people saying we should not fund contraceptives would apply the same standard to cancer, obesity, and every other disease. A little over half the US population is female and 98% of them have used contraceptives at one time or another during their life. Add to that the men who support the right a female to have access to insurance covered contraceptives and I am pretty sure we have a over whelming majority.

The role of the Federal Government is to preserve our Liberty NOT fund our Healthcare.
 
Link to Sandra Fluke's actual testimony to Congress that led to Rush Limbaugh calling her a slut and a prostitute. I think she makes a good case with her thoughtful remarks. I think it is worth posting the entire testimony to go ahead and stop the stupid speculation that would inevitably start by those who choose the read the spun stories instead of actually going to the source.

Full text below:

Limbaugh apologizes to Sandra Fluke

Although he apologized, in the same statement the fiery radio host called Fluke's testimony before a mock Congressional hearing "absurd."

"I think it is absolutely absurd that during these very serious political times, we are discussing personal sexual recreational activities before members of Congress," he wrote, but he added: "I chose the wrong words in my analogy of the situation. I did not mean a personal attack on Ms. Fluke."

B)
 
That is a really tired argument. First off the government does not fund insurance aside from possibly the military. These are private corporations. There are medical needs for contraceptives. Women take them as a daily medicine. It's not just for birth control. Men use it indirectly by having sex with women.

Aside from that it is cheaper to fund contraceptives than not. The christaoin right claims they want to eliminate abortions yet they are not willing to do a damn thing to help eliminate abortions. The fact that they are against birth control, sex ed, family planning says that they are hypocrites who have no clue what century we live in and are incredibly misogynistic. Women have gained equal rights in our society. They can own property, vote, hold a job and a few other things. they have a right to have control over their sexuality.
 
An apology from a convicted drug addict is not worth a steaming pile of crap.
 

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