Boeing IAM members say NO!

[delldude]

 
They are lining up now in Alabama in anticipation of getting one of those jobs building the metal tubes that hurtle thru the air at almost the speed of sound..
 
 

 
And how right you were.
 

 

[Kev3188]

Boeing should be able to unilaterally impose whatever terms of employment they would like, subject to the law.

Yeah, too bad the Boeing workers are represented. What an inconvenience that must be to the titans of industry.

🙄

 

[737823]

Yeah, too bad the Boeing workers are represented. What an inconvenience that must be to the titans of industry. 🙄

Now they are but once the work is moved to RTW states that will change. Face it, the union has no leverage. Boeing doesn't fear nor respect the IAM and they have shown their willingness to take on the unions over the years. They ran away with their tail between their legs, the DL president refused to comment publicly.

Btw do you think this is an example of the labor turn around you keep talking about? Would you regard Josh Eidelson as one of the young labor activists/leaders directing the turn around? Yale educated and worked as a business development agent for UNITE HERE.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

Boeing doesn't fear nor respect the IAM

...Which is to really say that they don't respect their employees.

Or the taxpayers of Washington state, for that matter...


 

Btw do you think this is an example of the labor turn around you keep talking about? Would you regard Josh Eidelson as one of the young labor activists/leaders directing the turn around? Yale educated and worked as a business development agent for UNITE HERE.

Josh

I'm a fan of the "alt labor" that he's often written about. I think it's an effective part of the strategy to reclaim some lost ground for America's working class.

 

[737823]

...Which is to really say that they don't respect their employees.Or the taxpayers of Washington state, for that matter... I'm a fan of the "alt labor" that he's often written about. I think it's an effective part of the strategy to reclaim some lost ground for America's working class.

So by expecting employees to make adjustments to their antiquated benefits packages and work rules they are disrespecting their workers and the local community? Interesting.

Just clarify one thing...alt labor is good for engaging people and raising awareness but it doesn't have any "teeth" or the security of a CBA that you and others keep chalking up. So sure it's one thing for fast food employees to chant and hold signs demanding $15/hr but after the rally they return to work (if they still have a job) and their employer comes out unscathed. Same for the Wal-Mart job action. How does this advance the interests of the labor movement? These folks don't pay dues after all.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

Just clarify one thing...alt labor is good for engaging people and raising awareness but it doesn't have any "teeth" or the security of a CBA that you and others keep chalking up. So sure it's one thing for fast food employees to chant and hold signs demanding $15/hr but after the rally they return to work (if they still have a job) and their employer comes out unscathed. Same for the Wal-Mart job action. How does this advance the interests of the labor movement? These folks don't pay dues after all.

Josh

Fight for $15 is only one piece of the puzzle. Since you brought him up I had assumed you'd read some of his work...

 

[737823]

Fight for $15 is only one piece of the puzzle. Since you brought him up I had assumed you'd read some of his work...

Yes and he has covered that at great length. A quick Google search will return numerous articles he has written. I'm asking to hear your perspective and better understand-how does alt labor serve the interests of the labor movement, industrial unions and the AFL-CIO? To me it's a lot like unions fighting for 40 hour work week, medical benefits, OSHA protection, fair labor standards, etc things often obtained through the collective bargaining process for all workers to enjoy, without paying dues. Understand the question now?

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

Short version: There is more to "labor," or America's working class than just the AFL-CIO, or those covered under a CBA. Places like worker centers give people who currently don't have a collective voice in the workplace a resource.

You say they don't have "teeth," and from a strictly CBA point of view, that may be accurate. However, many of them are making very real differences for workers on a daily basis for people NOT covered under a CBA, and they're doing so by making sure employers are accountable to many of the things you've mentioned (and I'd also throw wage theft in there as well).

 

[southwind]

So what's wrong with them giving up something like healthcare. As I'm sure the majority of union people voted in the current administration, they could easily go to Healthcare.gov and sign up for ObamaCare, thereby giving a concession and retaining their job !

 

[Kev3188]

Another brilliant idea from you. Do you actually know how it works?

I seriously hope you're in a back shop. The thought of you touching live A/C with our customers on it is just too much to bear...

 

[737823]

Short version: There is more to "labor," or America's working class than just the AFL-CIO, or those covered under a CBA. Places like worker centers give people who currently don't have a collective voice in the workplace a resource.

You say they don't have "teeth," and from a strictly CBA point of view, that may be accurate. However, many of them are making very real differences for workers on a daily basis for people NOT covered under a CBA, and they're doing so by making sure employers are accountable to many of the things you've mentioned (and I'd also throw wage theft in there as well).

I see your point, but wouldn't labor be better served with a unified voice and new leadership in touch with social media, generation Y, etc? As we both agree and you have posted at length, many of the current leaders are out of touch but yet you insist change from the bottom up is the way to go. Do you see alt labor as a bottom up/grass roots movement? How can it be bottom up if the strikes were coordinated and ran with the support of UNITE Here and SEIU, at least locally in my area?

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

I see your point, but wouldn't labor be better served with a unified voice and new leadership in touch with social media, generation Y, etc?

Labor is better served with both.

Both bring something to the table, and if/when executed properly, it can be a symbiotic combination.

 

[787nightmare]

More bad news for the Boeing Co.
Yet can't afford us...;-)



Boeing made its mark on the first day of the Dubai Air Show by announcing the largest product launch in commercial jetliner history with the 777X. Boeing announced orders and commitments for 225 777X airplanes together with 100 737 MAXs, and 11 Next-Generation 737-800s and 30 787-10 Dreamliners, worth a total value of $101.5 billion at average list prices.

The company in total has secured a record-breaking 259 orders and commitment for the new 777-8X and -9X from four customers, totaling more than $95 billion at list prices. During a packed press briefing, Emirates committed to ordering 150 777X jets, and neighboring carrier Qatar another 50. Etihad earlier in the day ordered 25 777Xs, while Lufthansa in September announced a commitment for 34 of the large twinjets.

"These are all industry leaders who recognize the extraordinary value the 777X will bring to the market, and what it will mean for their fleet strategies and for their bottom line," said Jim McNerney, Boeing chairman, president and CEO. “Their commitment to this airplane speaks volumes. The combined value of the commitments is approximately $100 billion at list price – making it the largest product launch in commercial jetliner history.”

Boeing Commercial Airplanes President and CEO Ray Conner said: "We are proud to partner with each of these esteemed airlines to launch the 777X – the largest and most-efficient twin-engine jetliner in the world. Its ground-breaking engine technologies and all-new composite wing will deliver unsurpassed value and growth potential to our customers.”

Boeing also secured its largest-ever single-aisle airplane purchase in the Middle East, with flydubai announcing a commitment for up to 100 737 MAX 8 airplanes and 11 Next-Generation 737-800s in a deal valued at $11.4 billion at list prices. Boeing marked another significant milestone during the show's opening day when the Dreamliner passed 1,000 orders with Etihad Airways' order for 30 787-10s. The 787 has reached this marker faster than any other twin-aisle airplane in aviation history.

The new orders will enable Emirates, Qatar and flydubai to both replace older jets with more efficient aircraft and enable further capacity and network growth by all three carriers.

For Boeing Defense, Space and Security, the first weekend was highlighted by the first international air show appearance of the P-8 maritime multi-mission surveillance aircraft, and a second go-round for the V-22 tiltrotor aircraft at the Dubai Airshow.

Those two platforms join other Boeing products that will either be on static display, or perform demonstration flights at the airshow: an AH-6i attack and reconnaissance helicopter, an AH-64 Apache, a C-17 Globemaster III military airlifter, the Integrator unmanned aerial system, F/A-18 and F-15 tactical fighters and the CH-47 Chinook helicopter.

During a pre-show press conference, Boeing leaders for both the defense and commercial businesses strongly emphasized the company's longstanding priority of being a valued part of the Middle East community.

"The Middle East region continues to be one of Boeing's key global markets for both the commercial aviation and defense sectors," said Jeffrey Johnson, president of Boeing Middle East. "We have a long history in the region, and we continue to strengthen our relationships with our partners and customers to further develop the aerospace industry," Johnson said, echoing similar messages from Paul Oliver, BDS international business development regional director for the Middle East & Africa, and Ahmed Jazzar, president of Boeing Saudi Arabia.

In a roundtable with journalists representing major international defense trade publications, Dennis Muilenburg, BDS president and CEO, reiterated that the Middle East and the Asia Pacific region will together be the biggest future drivers for Boeing as the company works to increase its international share of business.

 

 

[Kev3188]

Boeing made its mark on the first day of the Dubai Air Show by announcing the largest product launch in commercial jetliner history with the 777X. Boeing announced orders and commitments for 225 777X airplanes together with 100 737 MAXs, and 11 Next-Generation 737-800s and 30 787-10 Dreamliners, worth a total value of $101.5 billion at average list prices.

Man, between that and one of the largest pieces of corporate welfare this nation has ever seen, the hits just keep coming!

 

[787nightmare]

Japan is just an option -- the other option Boeing is considering is to build a composites plant to do the wing domestically, which I suspect they'll want to do regardless.  
 
Boeing's got the capacity at LGB to do it, and the UAW already has learned the hard way what bluffing at the table can lead to with the Big Three.  Production on the C-17 is at end of life, which also works well on the 777X's timeline.
 
Boeing could also build new in Huntsville, or expand Charleston.  
 
http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2022245171_boeingiamxml.html
 
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/boeing-in-talks-with-iam-on-777x-wing-assembly-sites-392561/

E, I don't see Long Beach getting the work because of California's hostile corp regulation, employment/environmental laws. Makes NO sense.
I suspect the state of  WA will get busy trying to nail this line down to Everett.....they didn't jump through there butts and bend over back wards to watch this deal sail right on out of WA. Liberal politicans agreed to serious incentives/tax breaks up here(for a tax & spend state)
Wing could wind up being built elsewhere(like Charleston)and fuselage/final assy up here in EVT. We'll see.
But Boeing really showed there hand on this surprise contract they came out with to try sell us. It really sucked. 2024 is LONG time before we get to talk again. No way-not for what they wanted to cram down our throats. (and the money this Co is making!)
Boeing CAN NOT afford to botch this plane-like the "plastic fantastic" 787.

As anyone can see....seeerious bucks on the line with the "x"....(and Boeing rep)