Bonuses Inflame Air Unions

[calibrator]

Excellent post and well said I might add. As Ive said before, why dont these people go back to school get an education and then start a new career if they arnt happy. Instead they jsut want to contiinue moaing and feeling bad for themlselves while they could be taking classes to make them smarter and help them obtain a better job.

[post="268443"][/post]​

I was going to remain silent, but with morons posting I find it impossible.

The "people" you refer to, name one for example “pitbullâ€￾ who is very unhappy and rightly so has not one but two different degrees, now how much more education does one need?

This is not about being lazy and uneducated, it's about right and wrong and anyone with any common sense left that has not been brain washed by an inside out world knows damn right well this bonus nonsense it exactly that, nonsense. I don't care how it's spun. Keeping "talent" that has done nothing but destroy peoples lives with pensions being robbed, benefits taken away, wages cut time and again, tons of people thrown out and now unemployed and you morons try and defend this, it's insane!

We live in a twisted world where right is wrong and wrong is right, where sensitivity is enforced while at the same time executives rape and pillage employees filling their pockets and then celebrated for doing so with morons like we have on here throwing them accolades while at the same time blasting people who are justifiably outraged over the injustices that are all too common today and accepted.

I am convinced that evil is so pervasive in every facet of society today that it has become a common fabric undistinguishable from true morality. If I am wrong please explain the insanity that is tolerated today without even a second’s thought, just like it's all normal.

 

[usjacket]

QUOTE
The unions negotiated their own terms
and severance deals. So don't get upset
when low level management also has the
opportunity to receive severance.

[post="268606"][/post]​

:angry: :angry: :angry: Gee, I dont recall much negotiating going on, what I remember is the company saying Take it or we will have our boy (the Judge) throw out your contract and you will take something much worse.... Yea that is how I remember it...Does that sound about right? :angry: :angry: :angry:

 

[JAMAKE1]

Keeping "talent" that has done nothing but destroy peoples lives with pensions being robbed, benefits taken away, wages cut time and again, tons of people thrown out and now unemployed and you morons try and defend this, it's insane!

We live in a twisted world where right is wrong and wrong is right, where sensitivity is enforced while at the same time executives rape and pillage employees filling their pockets and then celebrated for doing so with morons like we have on here throwing them accolades while at the same time blasting people who are justifiably outraged over the injustices that are all too common today and accepted.

[post="268733"][/post]​

Calibrator:

Your point is well taken and your outrage is very valid and justified.

The point to my original post on this subject was that there are people who happen to work at CCY who are just like you and me. Revenue accountants, finance experts, and others whose "talent" is crucial for the day-to-day successful financial operation of the corporation. And I will stand by my point that these people probably deserve a severance in some form and/or a rentention incentive.

On my end, I want to apologize to everyone for using the term "class envy". It was insensitive and inappropriate on my part.

 

[MrAeroMan]

Amen brother Bob!!

 

[airbiiguy]

I am speaking about the majority of unionized labor at UsAirways. 95% of them don't have a higher level education, otherwise they wouldnt be slinging bags for a living. I worked at Airways while I was still in school (fulltime both) and now guess what I dont have to do that crap anymore and let them dictate my life for me. Do you think it was easy to work fulltime and go to college fulltime, no? What has happned is a tragedy but you gotta move on and stop blaming the other guy, do what YOU have to do to survive.

 

[aerosmith]

Thank you Piney you really hit the nail on the head.

 

[Art at ISP]

....What Piney Bob said.......

 

[EyeInTheSky]

You go Piney! Well said.

 

[qwerty]

If you don't mind Pineybob, I'd like to take a shot.

First I agree that some senior folks need to take the blame for past mistakes and be shown the door. And when the term "management" is used on this board I think it's clear most posters are referring to these few senior execs and to some extent their local manager.

But what about the lady in HR that processes your paycheck, the guy in Purchasing that negotiates the crew hotel, the recent college grad that sets the inventory to maximize revenue? What about the team that manages the Bank of America agreement or the lawyer that negotiates with foreign governments for landing rights? These are the folks that are narrowly focused and not quickly replaced. They are fleeing, and its just going to get worse. This is DC afterall, positions that are transferable to other industries at a higher salary are not difficult to come by, and why stick around when you know you'll be out the door in 6 months?

I feel for the unionized folks, but this isn't about what's fair, it's about running a business. The union has a built in retention incentive called seniority, and until they decide enmasse to pull their services, there will always be someone to replace them quickly.

 

[BoeingBoy]

But what about the lady in HR that processes your paycheck, the guy in Purchasing that negotiates the crew hotel, the recent college grad that sets the inventory to maximize revenue? What about the team that manages the Bank of America agreement or the lawyer that negotiates with foreign governments for landing rights? These are the folks that are narrowly focused and not quickly replaced. They are fleeing, and its just going to get worse. This is DC afterall, positions that are transferable to other industries at a higher salary are not difficult to come by, and why stick around when you know you'll be out the door in 6 months?

[post="269094"][/post]​

qwerty,

I think most would accept your point above, but let's look at some of the details of the company's proposal....

First, for a handful of senior executives there is potentially an extra $18 million dollar cost for retention. That certainly does nothing to help the kind of folks you mentioned, but does effectively shovel a lot of money to these folks when they ultimately leave.

Second, for the "Salaried employees below officer level" there is a current potential cost of $27.5 million for severence. Since that's around $1.5 million each if averaged over the nearly 1900 employees covered (I know, those at the top of that 1900 will get the lions share), exactly how much more is needed - especially at the upper end of this group of employees? For what it's worth, I agree that those at the lower end of this group deserve something extra if it will entice them to stay as long as needed.

Last, there is the $5 million "discretionary" fund (Lakefield's discretion). with a maximum of $50,000 per individual. If used wisely, I have no problem with this. But it definitely has the potential of being used to reward select "favorites" without necessarily helping any of those you mentioned.

Jim

 

[PITbull]

Will December come quick enough?

[post="268410"][/post]​

Nope! Got a lot more to do around here.... 😛

 

[PITbull]

Instead of managerial accounting, maybe you should have taken a Dale Carnegie course???

Of course, you if you are part of the rank-and-file at USAirways, your best bet (certainly not any worse than staying on the job) might be to go to correspondence art school on a scholarship you can win by sketching "Blinky" from the magazine ad.  But I digress.

Have they no shame?  The short answer is no, they don't.

The key part of that post is 'if the bonuses keep the right people who are the best in their game'.

Can anyone honestly say that the crew in CCY is the best at anything?  I made the comment before.....you could not do any worse at making executive decisions than to write them on the ground, then turn a blindfolded chicken loose to see which decision he or she pecks at.

[post="268442"][/post]​

This managment is profoundly arrogant, and are insensed to Labor and all the concessions we have given. We don't even have enough money to hedge fuel which should be this company's main focus when there is a dip in fuel, like NOW.

Trust, there is much opposition to these TRPs. And for this non performing managment, for the first time, the judge may NOT approve.

 

[PITbull]

These types of commentary only show
your true ignorance of the purpose of the
filing. The company has asked the judge
to set aside $55 million for severance
payments to management employees
who may be let go after a merger is
consummated with HP.

Did they cancel the union severance
packages recently? I don't think so.
It's unbelievable how some people
have misinterpreted this matter.

[post="268449"][/post]​

Sorry Spin, your managment seat is not going to yeild what you have planned for yourself.

There are many (approx 22,000) folks who have lost their positions and jobs and are educated and qualified to take a vacant management seat. If these folks want to move on, let them! And if these execs who have not performed and have lost another womping $282million first quarter, let them!

Don't want them; don't need'um.

 

[PITbull]

Amen brother Bob!!

[post="269032"][/post]​

Ditto!

 

[usfliboi]

Bob, "These" execs did not get our company where it is today. A combo of greedy union leadership and shotty management beginning with Uncle Ed is the reason we are where we are!!!