Bush's fault......

[southwind]

Enjoy your 4 year Love affair with Nobama, Garf ! Hope your legs are still "Tingley" ! :huh:

 

[Garfield1966]

When did I ever say I was enamored with Obama? I am pretty sure I have stated on more than on occasion that I chose the lesser of two evils. What does your response have to do with anything discussed? Does your lack of a relevant response mean that you acknowledge that there is no basis for saying an atheist could not run for POTUS?

BTW, everyone who drives a car is required by law to have car insurance. Lack of prosecution not with standing, how is being required to carry health insurance any different?

I do not believe I will be any more disappointed with the next 3 years than I have been with the previous 9 years.

 

[dapoes]

BTW, everyone who drives a car is required by law to have car insurance. Lack of prosecution not with standing, how is being required to carry health insurance any different?

Driving is a privilege, not a right. There are people that go for years not even owning a car and lead successful lives. Young professionals, College students in major cities NYC, San Fran, etc.

I do not believe I will be any more disappointed with the next 3 years than I have been with the previous 9 years.

The past 9 years never affected you directly or indirectly, unless you were in club gitmo. Other then that you thrived as a result. Gimme a break. :down:

 

[KCFlyer]

The past 9 years never affected you directly or indirectly, unless you were in club gitmo. Other then that you thrived as a result. Gimme a break. :down:

Nope dapoes...I wasn't affected by gitmo, and I wasn't killed in Iraq. But a lot of guys DID die in Iraq, so the last 9 years impacted their families pretty hard...especially when there was no good reason to go into Iraq in the first place.

But you know...our forefathers shed blood to protect the constitution...and our founding fathers felt strongly enough about what a government MIGHT do (hmmm....gotta give Bush a little credit...he was thinking about what Saddam "might" do) that they were very explicit in the constitution to write in some stuff about illegal search and seizure in amendment #4. They put that in because they knew that if it wasn't there, the government "might" abuse that right.

And we let Bush and Cheney walk right over that one...in the name of "keeping us safe". In the words of our future president...."You betcha" that I haven't been impacted. Yet. But now the government CAN conduct illegal search and seizure, and use a very loosely defined term of "terrorism" to do it. I guess the blood of our forefathers is as wasted as the blood of servicemen killed in Iraq.

 

[southwind]

When did I ever say I was enamored with Obama? I am pretty sure I have stated on more than on occasion that I chose the lesser of two evils. What does your response have to do with anything discussed? Does your lack of a relevant response mean that you acknowledge that there is no basis for saying an atheist could not run for POTUS?

BTW, everyone who drives a car is required by law to have car insurance. Lack of prosecution not with standing, how is being required to carry health insurance any different?

I do not believe I will be any more disappointed with the next 3 years than I have been with the previous 9 years.

I'm not saying that an Atheist cannot run for POTUS ! He can and should have the right to ! Will an Atheist ever be POTUS? When pigs fly out of my Butt !

Running as an Atheist is like running as a Libertarian...................wasting peoples time and taking votes away from the Legitimate contenders ! :down:

Now let me as you something. Why would an Atheist want to be the "Supreme Ruler" of a country whose entire framework was constructed around the belief in God.................................unless maybe he wanted to destroy that belief and hence said country ? :blink:

 

[Garfield1966]

Driving is a privilege, not a right. There are people that go for years not even owning a car and lead successful lives. Young professionals, College students in major cities NYC, San Fran, etc.


The past 9 years never affected you directly or indirectly, unless you were in club gitmo. Other then that you thrived as a result. Gimme a break. :down:

Not talking about rights or privileges. We were talking about the ability to require insurance.

The last nine years have definitely affected me. The nearly $4 trillion in debt that Bush added to the national debt affects me. Diverting troops to an unneeded unwarranted war affects me because there may be a threat on the horizon that we may not be able to meet due to the troop deployment. The suspension of habeas corpus affects us all. Just because I have never been arrested and read my Miranda warnings does not mean that the elimination of that warning would not affect me.

Not exactly sure how you think I thrived but I would argue differently.

 

[Garfield1966]

I would be willing to bet that people had the same response 30-60 years or more ago about the idea of a non-white person being in the WH. They also said the same thing about a woman being in the military or in any position of power. Thankfully those people were proven wrong over time as will you.

Again, since I contend that religion had little to do with the founding of this nation there is no justification to the idea that someone who does not believe in a god would not be capable of leading this nation. I have no belief in god and as POTUS would not have any urge to destroy/hinder your personal beliefs much less this nation.

To make such a broad and ignorant assumption about me or anyone else who does not believe as you do is arrogant and insulting.

I do hope you have a flexible butt, because just as women and minorities have over come ignorance and hatred of the masses, so to will atheists.

Beside which, you cannot process what someone believes. I can say I am christian and there is not a damn thing that you can do to prove or disprove it. If I had the urge to mislead, I could memorize passages, go to church and make all the necessary actions to look like on all the while believe it is a farce. Not a damn thing you could do to disprove it.

That is some nerve you have saying that the dems and reps are the only legitimate parties. As far as I am concerned, they are the only illegitimate parties. One of these days I hope someone can actually present a realistic option to the crap the tow 'legitimate' parties are vomiting out.

 

[dapoes]

Not talking about rights or privileges. We were talking about the ability to require insurance.

It was your comparison not mine. You don't have to enroll in (state mandated) insurance if you don't have a car. Also if you choose not to, you will not be penalized by the government either. The HCB mandates you have to enroll or be penalized. So your car insurance comparison is false and doesn't apply.

The last nine years have definitely affected me. The nearly $4 trillion in debt that Bush added to the national debt affects me.

And yet you are comfy with Obama's spending?
Bush Deficit vs. Obama Deficit in Pictures

Diverting troops to an unneeded unwarranted war affects me because there may be a threat on the horizon that we may not be able to meet due to the troop deployment.

You mean the Iraq war that was approved by both parties on the hill and the United Nations? :blink:

The suspension of habeas corpus affects us all. Just because I have never been arrested and read my Miranda warnings does not mean that the elimination of that warning would not affect me.

So then you agree, you were never affected and your outrage is phony? Or were you a terrorist waging jihad on the US then feel somehow your rights have been stepped upon?

Not exactly sure how you think I thrived but I would argue differently.

Oh im so sorry! I didn't realize you were one of those waiting in line for a handout to pay your gas and mortgage.

 

[dapoes]

I would be willing to bet that people had the same response 30-60 years or more ago about the idea of a non-white person being in the WH. They also said the same thing about a woman being in the military or in any position of power. Thankfully those people were proven wrong over time as will you.

A brief history lesson:

After The Civil Rights Act was passed Democrat President Lyndon Johnson praised Republicans for their overwhelming support.

The Republican Party was formed by anti-slavery activists to combat the pro-slavery Democrats.

The Ku Klux Klan was formed by radical Democrats who opposed equality for blacks.

In 1935 Democrats defeated an Anti-Lynching Bill supported and put forward by Republicans.

The 1924 Democrat National Convention in New York was host to one of the largest Klan gatherings in American history. Dubbed the “Klanbake conventionâ€￾, a minority of delegates attempted to condemn the presence of the Klan but was rebuked by the Klan supporting Democrat Majority.

On April 20, 1871 the Republican Congress enacted the Ku Klux Klan Act, outlawing Democratic Party-Affiliated terrorist groups.

Ronald Reagan, a Republican, made history on November 2, 1983 by signing into law Martin Luther King Jr.’s (another republican) birthday as a National Holiday. This is the first and only Federal Holiday that recognizes a Black American.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Like them or don't, the Republicans have a far batter civil rights record. Don't forget HUD secretary Jack Kemp as a prime example of Republicanswho walk the walk while Democrats talk the talk.

 

[delldude]

And we let Bush and Cheney walk right over that one...in the name of "keeping us safe". In the words of our future president...."You betcha" that I haven't been impacted. Yet. But now the government CAN conduct illegal search and seizure, and use a very loosely defined term of "terrorism" to do it. I guess the blood of our forefathers is as wasted as the blood of servicemen killed in Iraq.

Funny how you castigate Bush and Cheney......think you over looked a few facts........

BUSH/Cheney did it.......

Oct 24, 2001: This bill passed in the House of Representatives by roll call vote. The vote was held under a suspension of the rules to cut debate short and pass the bill, needing a two-thirds majority. This usually occurs for non-controversial legislation. The totals were 357 Ayes, 66 Nays, 9 Present/Not Voting. Vote Details.
You are not tracking any senators or representatives. To see their votes here, look up a Member of Congress.
Oct 25, 2001: This bill passed in the Senate by roll call vote. The totals were 98 Ayes, 1 Nays, 1 Present/Not Voting. Vote Details.

 

[Garfield1966]

It was your comparison not mine. You don't have to enroll in (state mandated) insurance if you don't have a car. Also if you choose not to, you will not be penalized by the government either. The HCB mandates you have to enroll or be penalized. So your car insurance comparison is false and doesn't apply.

Just came from trafic court. Lady got fined $300 for not having valid car insurance. In TX it's against the law and a class C misdemeanor not to have liability on your car.

And yet you are comfy with Obama's spending?

No I am not. What I said was the last nine years did affect me due to the $4 trillion Bush tacked onto the national debt. Stands to reason I am not happy about the $4 trillion Obama has tacked on as well.

You mean the Iraq war that was approved by both parties on the hill and the United Nations? :blink:

Yes that would be the conflict. As I understand it there has been no declaration of war. Congress has started to issue declarations of force which I think should/is a violation of the COTUS. JMO.

So then you agree, you were never affected and your outrage is phony? Or were you a terrorist waging jihad on the US then feel somehow your rights have been stepped upon?

As a citizen of the US yes I was affected. Civil rights are a corner stone of this nation. The fact that you seem to be willing to cede your civil rights is your issue. You have not been directly affected by the health care issue but you are screaming bloody murder. You will not be forced to buy insurance because you already carry insurance yet you scram bloody murder. You are not 'directly' affected by a lot of things but they do affect you indirectly or have the POTENTIAL to affect you. As such you have just cause to be concerned.

Oh im so sorry! I didn't realize you were one of those waiting in line for a handout to pay your gas and mortgage.

You indicated I thrived under Bush and I fail to see how mortgage or gas assistance under the Obama administration has anything to do with my thriving.

I am not of the belief that the parties of the late 1800's or the early 1900's have any resemblance to the parties of today.So sorry but I do not think the comparisons are valid. I have heard numerous conservative consultants acknowledge that the RNC needs to be far more inclusive of minorities if they want to get their votes.

 

[dapoes]

Just came from trafic court. Lady got fined $300 for not having valid car insurance. In TX it's against the law and a class C misdemeanor not to have liability on your car.

Im not sure why you would make the car insurance/health insurance comparison if you dont understand the differences between the two.

You have the choice/freedom to have (or not) a car. Auto insurance is not for your welfare, its for the benefit of other person you get in an accident with. You have no choice if you get ill (or not). Making it a mandate to pay insurance to basically stay alive is ludicrous.

No I am not. What I said was the last nine years did affect me due to the $4 trillion Bush tacked onto the national debt. Stands to reason I am not happy about the $4 trillion Obama has tacke

d on as well.
Could have fooled me.

Yes that would be the conflict. As I understand it there has been no declaration of war. Congress has started to issue declarations of force which I think should/is a violation of the COTUS. JMO.

Your opinion lacks the fact everything was done with the blessing of both houses and the UN.

As a citizen of the US yes I was affected.

No. Its just your liberal soap box issue you chose to be outraged about.

Civil rights are a corner stone of this nation. The fact that you seem to be willing to cede your civil rights is your issue. You have not been directly affected by the health care issue but you are screaming bloody murder. You will not be forced to buy insurance because you already carry insurance yet you scram bloody murder. You are not 'directly' affected by a lot of things but they do affect you indirectly or have the POTENTIAL to affect you. As such you have just cause to be concerned.

You are forgetting the context of said issue. BTW Obama chose to retain the Patriot Act despite campaigning to reverse them.

You indicated I thrived under Bush and I fail to see how mortgage or gas assistance under the Obama administration has anything to do with my thriving.

Because you liken a handout to better times?

I am not of the belief that the parties of the late 1800's or the early 1900's have any resemblance to the parties of today. So sorry but I do not think the comparisons are valid. I have heard numerous conservative consultants acknowledge that the RNC needs to be far more inclusive of minorities if they want to get their votes.

Because you think welfare/handouts is a good thing rather then hard work.

 

[delldude]

I am not of the belief that the parties of the late 1800's or the early 1900's have any resemblance to the parties of today.

But the Constitutional principles are the same.

 

[KCFlyer]

Funny how you castigate Bush and Cheney......think you over looked a few facts........

BUSH/Cheney did it.......

All well and good for PROPOSING amending the constitution...however there is that little bugaboo called RATIFYING the PROPOSED amendment.

To Propose Amendments

* Two-thirds of both houses of Congress vote to propose an amendment, or

* Two-thirds of the state legislatures ask Congress to call a national convention to propose amendments. (This method has never been used.)

To Ratify Amendments

* Three-fourths of the state legislatures approve it, or

* Ratifying conventions in three-fourths of the states approve it. This method has been used only once -- to ratify the 21st Amendment -- repealing Prohibition.

The Supreme Court has stated that ratification must be within "some reasonable time after the proposal." Beginning with the 18th amendment, it has been customary for Congress to set a definite period for ratification. In the case of the 18th, 20th, 21st, and 22nd amendments, the period set was 7 years, but there has been no determination as to just how long a "reasonable time" might extend.

The amendment was changed via a proposal only. It has not been ratified. You patriots should demand that it be ratified.