BYE BYE ALPO

[Phoenix]

When did Nicolau deny either party the opportunity to be heard?

Don't ask me. It wasn't my argument that Nicolau penalized the East for "over-reaching". It was Cluebyfour's argument that suggested Nicolau penalized the East because they were too stupid to walk softly and be tepid in their argument because Nickolau was gonna slap some sense into silly pilots, in addtion to just desciding the case. 🙄

 

[Bear96]

I think you misinterpreted what Clue was saying.

 

[Phoenix]

I think you misinterpreted what Clue was saying.

Cluebyfour: "I predicted the Nicolau outcome to the "T"--brutually overreaching would come back to bite AAA"


Well, ask clue how we should understand his prediction of how Nicolau would respond to "brutally overreaching". Regardless of how it turned out he seems to indicate that he knew Nicolau would penalize whoever had a "brutally overreaching" argument. Looks pretty clear and easy to read but I am open to a different clear reading if he wants to point it out.

But I am more interested in my question: "the AAA ALPA message board is a ghost town. I wonder were they all went to?"

 

[ClueByFour]

It's like this:

DOH (or "longevity") was a non-starter. Absent puttering around in single engine pistons and having you guys fly me around in transport aircraft, even I (an outsider) who can read (ALPA merger policy) and knows a bit about arbitration could see the writing on the wall. And expressed it. Search for a thread in which 320pilot castigated me when I pointed this out to him (I think it's "E-190 somethingorother").

The AAA negotiating committee and legal counsel would not stop that drumbeat, even when the arbitrator all but told them in the hearings that it was a non-starter.

At which point, he took what the HP guys asked for, dulled it down (a lot) and you have what you have.

If the East side had not been hell-bent on overreaching for DOH, there would be a different outcome.

 

[ussnark]

But I am more interested in my question: "the AAA ALPA message board is a ghost town. I wonder were they all went to?"

A corollary to Bobs sig. about knowing you are in trouble when the complaints decrease.

It is like walking through the jungle and all of a sudden you realize the birds aren't chirping, the crickets cricketing, it is like, very silent. A smart person would head for cover.

 

[Phoenix]

A corollary to Bobs sig. about knowing you are in trouble when the complaints decrease.

It is like walking through the jungle and all of a sudden you realize the birds aren't chirping, the crickets cricketing, it is like, very silent. A smart person would head for cover.

Good analogy. The sound of crickets chirping now is not perceptalbe when you are yelling about how someone was yelling back when.. :huh:

 

[2BorNot2B]

my question: "the AAA ALPA message board is a ghost town. I wonder were they all went to?"

Perhaps it is time for the MEC to permit the Retirees back on the site (as they should), that might perk things up!

2B

 

[hp_fa]

Perhaps it is time for the MEC to permit the Retirees back on the site (as they should), that might perk things up!

2B

I think a certain 320 pilot might have issues with that idea.

 

[Phoenix]

Perhaps it is time for the MEC to permit the Retirees back on the site (as they should), that might perk things up!

2B

I am all for that. I think all ALPA members, from day one and in perpetuity, should have access and full voting priveledges as long as they remain in good standing.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

If the East side had not been hell-bent on overreaching for DOH, there would be a different outcome.

Thanks for the update. This is the problem....overreaching, expectations, bad case, etc....the arbitraitor STILL was expected to render a fair, NOT VINDICIVE judgement.

And now you know where the majority (and soon to be the rest of the West) will stand.

No AWA pilot will ever fly a leg in my cockpit. No AWA pilot will ever ride my jumpseat, never.

That, my friend, is a fact.

Greeter.

 

[hp_fa]

No AWA pilot will ever fly a leg in my cockpit. No AWA pilot will ever ride my jumpseat, never.

Greeter.

Isn't that a bit extreme? Has the pilot you potentially plan on denying your jumpseat to personally done anything to you to justify denying him/her a ride to or from work?

If you were to do such a thing, and perhaps others did the same, what do you expect the AWA folks to do? Are your MEC folks, who may need to fly to PHX for a meeting with management, going to only even attempt to fly on East metal?

Greeter, you have never before struck me as less then a rational and thoughtful person, but I personally believe that what you propose is too extreme just because the pilot wanting to ride your jumpseat happens to have been employed by AWA.

 

[ableoneable]

If the East side had not been hell-bent on overreaching for DOH, there would be a different outcome.

Thanks for the update. This is the problem....overreaching, expectations, bad case, etc....the arbitraitor STILL was expected to render a fair, NOT VINDICIVE judgement.

And now you know where the majority (and soon to be the rest of the West) will stand.

No AWA pilot will ever fly a leg in my cockpit. No AWA pilot will ever ride my jumpseat, never.

That, my friend, is a fact.

Greeter.

Keep this attitude and you won't have a job.

ALPA will not be interested in defending you in you r section 19 hearing either.

 

[Mr Furlough]

Not AWA's fault or problem that you work for 12% less you want more sign a contract! 40% for which you would have had 0% without AWA so yeah you all owed it to us for helping make it possible...

AWA320,

You continue to assert that AWA "saved" usairways. And I have asked you to share the information that you have that supports that assertion. As I can find no evidence that monies were transferred from AWA for the purpose of purchasing U.

Can you please explain?

 

[Walmartgreeter]

I don't think you understand.....23 years under the ALPA umbrella....first having UAL go back to work without me..and and having the Supreme Court of the US rule in my favor that ALPA screwed me out of 500 numbers. Then to work for a pilot group that simply accepted B scale, and then took a 150K raise for 330 pilots at the expense of junior 737 Capts.


I am so hardover that no AWA pilot will ever ride my jumpseat or fly my aircraft. Fact. I am done with this union, and any airline associated with it.

I appreciate your past view of my dedication.....from now on my intent and direction is only toward my own family and future, that is all I have left at 51 years old. And woe be it to any AWA pilot encounters me.
Greeter.

 

[Cactus737]

AWA320,

You continue to assert that AWA "saved" usairways. And I have asked you to share the information that you have that supports that assertion. As I can find no evidence that monies were transferred from AWA for the purpose of purchasing U.

Can you please explain?

US Airways WAS in the process of liquidating and had no viable plan of reorganization on the day before the merger was announced. Those are facts, and were presented at the seniority integration arbitration. Read the transcripts.

Download Arbitration Transcripts

If it makes you happy - AWA did not have enough cash on hand to purchase US Airways. But, it was an acquisition (for accounting purposes).

I don't think you understand.....23 years under the ALPA umbrella....first having UAL go back to work without me..and and having the Supreme Court of the US rule in my favor that ALPA screwed me out of 500 numbers. Then to work for a pilot group that simply accepted B scale, and then took a 150K raise for 330 pilots at the expense of junior 737 Capts.
I am so hardover that no AWA pilot will ever ride my jumpseat or fly my aircraft. Fact. I am done with this union, and any airline associated with it.

I appreciate your past view of my dedication.....from now on my intent and direction is only toward my own family and future, that is all I have left at 51 years old. And woe be it to any AWA pilot encounters me.
Greeter.

That's just brilliant. No wonder you guys had 5 fatal accidents after your last merger.

If the East side had not been hell-bent on overreaching for DOH, there would be a different outcome.

Thanks for the update. This is the problem....overreaching, expectations, bad case, etc....the arbitraitor STILL was expected to render a fair, NOT VINDICIVE judgement.

It's funny that you call the arbitration award vindictive, but then threaten to never allow an AWA pilot into your cockpit. Maybe you should just never allow Nicolau in your cockpit.