BYE BYE ALPO

[Mr Furlough]

In response to the original post: I have absolutely no use for ALPA. They have never done one single thing for me, and never will. But they are extraordinarily good at collecting money from it's "closed shop" members.

A group of pilots whom don't want to be pilots lead this union-and make a heck of a lot more money than any single pilot on this board. Not your average line pilots, but very politically savvy people. Just so happens....they could care less about you and I.

For a large group of incredibly intelligent people, we sure are suckers.

 

[EastUS]

I gave myself two online flights but the operating capt.refused me the jump because Iam a west guy." management is going to talk to the operating captain. It's probably only going to happen once per individual.
Section 19, is that drug and alcohol rehab for the west folks? Mental health? Come on, give us a break here.
Section 19 is the Investigation and Discipline section of the CBA. When the company decides to discipline or terminate a pilot they follow section 19 of the ALPA CBA.
(I am pretty sure that it is the same section in your CBA as well.)

Keep up the Hallway Monitor threats about calling in your Daddies from management, which you assume would do something other than essentially say: "So just move to the base if commuting's tough you sad clown!"....enough crap like yours and I'd almost begin to become willing to reconsider my previously reasonable position...which is unfortunately based upon personal principles..so I just can't...dang it. Sigh..it would be fun to toss YOU off a plane

 

[nycbusdriver]

I stand by my theory. The first time a flight is delayed or cancelled because of a stuck commuter Wallmart greeter will be in Bular's office.

And I am equally certain that there will be no consequences for the captain who denies the jumpseat. Company policy is quite clear that it is the commuting pilot who is responsible to get him/herself to work, and need to be prepared for any "contingencies" when flying (i.e. having a backup plan.)

There is NO company policy that gives commuters any right to a jumpseat ride any more than they have a right to a positive space seat.

 

[ussnark]

No, I was speaking in general. I am not a commuter and rarely need to jumpseat. When flights have been late or worse canceled, due to crew issues, mnagement has been much more agressive than they used to be. I simply stated what I think will happen. When a pilot calls crew sched and says "Hey I am a commuter, I gave myself two online flights but the operating capt.refused me the jump because Iam a west guy." management is going to talk to the operating captain. It's probably only going to happen once per individual.

Right. The commuting pilot will then be informed that they should have scheduled themselves for two backups, not one, per company manual. Too bad.

Section 19, is that drug and alcohol rehab for the west folks? Mental health? Come on, give us a break here.
Section 19 is the Investigation and Discipline section of the CBA. When the company decides to discipline or terminate a pilot they follow section 19 of the ALPA CBA.
(I am pretty sure that it is the same section in your CBA as well.)

It is, but many here have no idea what you are talking about. Instead of something cryptic, you might try making things clear.

Ah, another ad hominem personal attack. I am a westie so I must not know how to fly. Very droll. I take it you support this junior high bullshit. "The arbitration did not go my way so I am not going to let you fly... So there!" You are a clown.

I simply said you will make plenty of mistakes just on the radio. I never said anything about your flying skills, but since you want to make a strawman issue about it, let us go with it. I'd like to make a distinction between "flying skills" and "local knowledge".

If you think you can jump right in and operate a shuttle flight with no prior local knowledge, you can operate up and down the east coast without watching someone else or you can successfully operate a trans-atlantic flight with no help, than you are a worse pilot than anyone thought. Sure, you could probably, "get by", however, most of us demand more than that. The knowledge to set ones own limitations comes with something called "seniority", the only measure of experience we have.

Your immediate "auto-victimization" mode is so characteristic of inexperience, and not just flight time.

 

[Hawkhunter]

Fully agreed with on my part. The cockpit's no place for brawling of any sort.

I've no thoughts of refusing jumpseat to any AWA pilots.

Having said that; I also understand either east or west crews not wishing to establish any uncomfortable distractions within the flight deck...but c'mon kids...we can put up with checkrides/Feds/etc.........

I agree, I do not commute but lets leave the JS out of this mess. Lets just keep our mouth shut when we use the JS. Got that AWA320.

 

[ClueByFour]

Sure, you could probably, "get by", however, most of us demand more than that. The knowledge to set ones own limitations comes with something called "seniority", the only measure of experience we have.

How does one (including all the East pilots) handle their IOE up and down the East Coast? Or, how did it happen "way back when?"

 

[EastUS]

In response to the original post: I have absolutely no use for ALPA. They have never done one single thing for me, and never will. But they are extraordinarily good at collecting money from it's "closed shop" members.

A group of pilots whom don't want to be pilots lead this union-and make a heck of a lot more money than any single pilot on this board. Not your average line pilots, but very politically savvy people. Just so happens....they could care less about you and I.

For a large group of incredibly intelligent people, we sure are suckers.

Word.

"A group of pilots whom don't want to be pilots lead this union-and make a heck of a lot more money than any single pilot on this board............they could care less about you and I."

 

[Hawkhunter]

Word.

"A group of pilots whom don't want to be pilots lead this union-and make a heck of a lot more money than any single pilot on this board............they could care less about you and I."

Sounds like our management pilots (suits) as well.

 

[ussnark]

How does one (including all the East pilots) handle their IOE up and down the East Coast? Or, how did it happen "way back when?"

How many airports and situations does one think they will encounter during an IOE?

 

[Phoenix]

As for Voting Priveledges, that is reserved for Dues Paying Active Members, as it should be!

I disagree copletely. To allow zit poping wonderkids to vote on the elimination of the retiree pension after a retiree has worked for 20-40 years, but deny the retiree to vote, is insane. To allow old farts to deep six the bottom half of the seniority list, and keep deep sixing the new bottom half, is exactly how we got into this position. ONCE YOU HAVE a seniority number you should ALWAYS be allowed to vote, or there is by definition NO union.

 

[Junebug172]

We work for 12% less than you do and pay more for benefits than you do. We gave up 40% of our profit sharing to give you an equal share.

You're darn tootin you should be grateful.

A320 Driver :down:

Then lets get a joint contract together and bring us all up!!

Pretty simple.

 

[Bud8EE]

Then lets get a joint contract together and bring us all up!!

Pretty simple.

Why should they not keep fighting? Some 250 have upgraded in the last 12 months which is a 35% raise. Probably that many more will in the next 12 months, so there is another 250 with a 35% raise. Many will move up to larger airplanes and get a raise, albeit smaller and many that move from reserve to line holder will have improved QOL. I am sure for these people, it is better than the cram down you will get from your management.