Bye Bye Plane--

[lostplanetairman]

I didn't see that the child did much that was out of order on the GMA show. First, remember, they flew them in and the show airs early in the morning. Second, Diane Sawyer gave the child a shuttle/plane and he was playing with it until it rolled off the table. He went after it and the mother, who was talking to Diane, held him back. So he started to cry. They shoved other toys in his face and he really cried. So, I don't see where he was out of control. The adults were just trying to get an interview completed.

 

[Fly]

That's why so many kids are out of control. The adults in their lives make excuses for their behaviour instead of just saying NO! I thought he acted terrible.

 

[GroundedBoricua]

I have to agree with fly. Let me see if I can sum up a 10 page chapter on a book I read on child behavior in 2 or 3 sentences. You let them know what behavior is wrong, of course they don't understand so they throw a fit. Now you have 2 choices, either let them have their fit :rant: :rant: until they get tired and sooner or later they will unerstand that no matter how much they fit :rant: NO mean NO, and the fussing will stop 🙁 .( i mean it doesn't happen over night, but like fly and me said it starts all at home and it takes time) or your second choice try to confort him, :rant: give him what he wants to stop his fussing, :eye: but you just let him understand that he can get his way if he throws a fit, leading to alot of fussing down the road . Sound complecated but its really not.

 

[lostplanetairman]

That's why so many kids are out of control. The adults in their lives make excuses for their behaviour instead of just saying NO! I thought he acted terrible.

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree.

By the way to extrapolate from an appearance on TV that this meant that the child was disruptive enough to get tossed off the plane is not a valid argument. But we can just agree to disagree and you don't have to bother telling me about how logical you think it is.

I have to agree with fly. Let me see if I can sum up a 10 page chapter on a book I read on child behavior in 2 or 3 sentences. You let them know what behavior is wrong, of course they don't understand so they throw a fit. Now you have 2 choices, either let them have their fit :rant: :rant: until they get tired and sooner or later they will unerstand that no matter how much they fit :rant: NO mean NO, and the fussing will stop 🙁 .( i mean it doesn't happen over night, but like fly and me said it starts all at home and it takes time) or your second choice try to confort him, :rant: give him what he wants to stop his fussing, :eye: but you just let him understand that he can get his way if he throws a fit, leading to alot of fussing down the road . Sound complecated but its really not.

But how do we really know the child was being disruptive on the plane? So, if he didn't throw a fit, then why should the mother stop him? And our opinion of his behavior on the TV show differs--because we filter it with our experience.

 

[Fly]

Ooooo-K. Enjoy them as teenagers. It doesn't get easier.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

I have to agree with fly. Let me see if I can sum up a 10 page chapter on a book I read on child behavior in 2 or 3 sentences. You let them know what behavior is wrong, of course they don't understand so they throw a fit. Now you have 2 choices, either let them have their fit :rant: :rant: until they get tired and sooner or later they will unerstand that no matter how much they fit :rant: NO mean NO, and the fussing will stop 🙁 .( i mean it doesn't happen over night, but like fly and me said it starts all at home and it takes time) or your second choice try to confort him, :rant: give him what he wants to stop his fussing, :eye: but you just let him understand that he can get his way if he throws a fit, leading to alot of fussing down the road . Sound complecated but its really not.

Totally agree with you - discipline starts at home. Unfortunately today parents are told by 'educators' to 'cuddle' children to 'encourage' them (Well Johnny 2+2 isn't 5, but you get an "A" for trying). What a bunch of BS. Anywho, back on topic - even if the child was acting up on the plane I still don't see it as a valid reason for removal. But I do wonder if we'll ever hear the other side of the story.

 

[GroundedBoricua]

Totally agree with you - discipline starts at home. Unfortunately today parents are told by 'educators' to 'cuddle' children to 'encourage' them (Well Johnny 2+2 isn't 5, but you get an "A" for trying). What a bunch of BS. Anywho, back on topic - even if the child was acting up on the plane I still don't see it as a valid reason for removal. But I do wonder if we'll ever hear the other side of the story.

Well we do know it was her plane 😀

 

[whatkindoffreshhell]

The f/a is an authority on the plane and should be respected.

Same as the pilot.

Yeah, benadryl the kid. Why is this even a media event? Happens probably a thousand times a day on an aircraft someplace.

And yes, I have kids.

My wife is a veteran ER nurse and those nurses are treated worse than fast-food clerks. At least the fast-food clerks are receiving money from the customer in front of them AND they have the right to refuse service.

Outrageous behavior deserves a spanking. Not 'pretty-please-Dakota'

 

[GroundedBoricua]

The f/a is an authority on the plane and should be respected.

Same as the pilot.

Yeah, benadryl the kid. Why is this even a media event? Happens probably a thousand times a day on an aircraft someplace.

And yes, I have kids.

My wife is a veteran ER nurse and those nurses are treated worse than fast-food clerks. At least the fast-food clerks are receiving money from the customer in front of them AND they have the right to refuse service.

Outrageous behavior deserves a spanking. Not 'pretty-please-Dakota'

For all the ladies that will read,please pardon my french but,

What the hell are you smoking??? Must be some wacked s :censored: t . No doubt the F/A is the authority on the plane, but just because shes on the rag and doesn't want to hear the kid say bye bye plane doesn't give her the right to boot a lady and her kid off an airplane, unless the kid is slinging poo in her face and the moms does it too :rant: . Take this into consideration, delayed for 11 hrs. Ok she could not disipline the child or tell him to stop, but it does not give you the right to deny transportation unless she really did something to the F/A.

And what the hell is this s :censored: t on giving benadryl to keep the baby sleeping. Damnit learn how to be a good parent, show love to your child but also disipline. If you do a good job, then you don't need benadryl or anything else to put your kid to sleep so he can't bother you or others. In certain aspects, that is mistreating your child, giving him something he doesn't need. Do you take advil when you don't have a headache or pain??? I didn't think so, unless your a junkie :angry: .

So you say Outrageous behavior deserves a spanking, want to spank the F/A??? :mf_boff: I disipline my children adecuately, I really don't beileive in spanking, and I don't, but you have to show them when its no, its NO. read my earlier post so you can learn how to do it.

And I know my spelling and grammer sucks, but you understood it right???? :groovy:

 

[USCREW]

My wife is a veteran ER nurse and those nurses are treated worse than fast-food clerks. At least the fast-food clerks are receiving money from the customer in front of them AND they have the right to refuse service.

Outrageous behavior deserves a spanking. Not 'pretty-please-Dakota'

Here's something funny for your wife to read...

The ER

1. The world of ER does not revolve around you. There are sick people here, and you aren't one of them.

2. Our definition of sick is not your definition of sick. If a member of the ER staff says that someone is sick, it means that they are in the process of DYING. They have had a massive stroke, are bleeding out, having a heart attack, or shot. We don't consider a tooth injury sick. Painful, yes. Sick, no.

2. At any given time, one nurse has four patients. One doctor has up to 15. There is a law (similar to Murphy's) in the ER. If you have four patients:

One of them will be sick (see #2 for definition)

One of them will be whining constantly

One of them will be homeless

and one of them will be the delightful patient.

Don't be the whiner. Please.

3. Physicians and nurses are not waiters. We are not customer service representatives. This is not McDonalds, and you very well may NOT have it your way. Our job is to save your life, or at least make you feel better. If you want a pillow, two blankets, the lights dimmed, and the TV on channel 14, go to the Ramada.

4. If you have one of the three, go to your own doctor in the morning:

A cold

The flu

A stomach virus

5. If your child has a fever, you had better give him tylenol before coming in. Do NOT let the fever remain high just so I will believe the child has a fever. Do you want your child to have a seizure? Do you?

6. We have priorities. We understand that you have been waiting for two hours in the waiting room. If you don't want to wait, make an appointment with a doctor. The little old lady that just walked in looking OK to you is probably having a massive heart attack. That's why she goes first.

7. Do not ask us how long it will be. We don't know. I don't know what's coming through my door 30 seconds from now... so I surely don't know when you'll be getting a room upstairs.

8. We are not for primary care. Get a family doctor, and go see them.

9. If you have diabetes and do not control it, you are committing slow suicide.

10. We know how many times you've been to an ER. We can usually tell if you are faking it on the first 5 seconds of talking to you. Do not lie to us. If you lie about one thing, we will assume you are lying about everything. You don't want that.

11. If you are well enough to complain about the wait, you are well enough to go home.

12. If your mother is a patient and we ask her a question, let her answer it.

13. If you see someone pushing a big cart down the hall at full speed and you hear bells going off.... do not ask for a cup of coffee. Someone is dying, you inconsiderate %#@^. In the ER, bells don't ring for nothing. Sit down, shut up, and let us work.

14. If you have any sort of stomach pain and you ask for something to eat, you are not that sick.

15. If you can complain about the blood pressure cuff being too tight, or the IV needle hurting, you are not in that much pain.

16. If you want to get something, be nice. I will go out of my way to tick off rude people.

17. Do not talk badly about the other members of staff I work with. The doctor that you hate? I work with him every day, and I know that he knows what he is doing. I trust him a lot more than I trust you. I am not here to be your friend, and neither is he. I will tell him what you said, and we will laugh about it. If you want a buddy, go somewhere else.

18. Every time I ask you a question, I learn more about what is wrong with you. I don't care if I ask you what day it is four different times. Each time I ask, it is for a reason. Just answer the questions, regardless of if you have answered them before.

19. Do not utter the words "It's in my chart." I don't have your chart, and I don't have the time to call and get it. Just tell me.

20. Do not bring your entire posse with you. One person at the bedside is all you need. It is really difficult to get around seven people in the event that you are really sick.

 

[FA Mikey]

check out the interview on good morning america

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=3374063

 

[Fly]

Maybe he was saying "bye-bye plane....BOOM!!!!"

 

[GroundedBoricua]

Or maybe ma-ma.....o-ma-ma.....s ma :eye:




did he say OSAMA!!!!!!

 

[mrs767er]

I have the weirdest question about the news interview on ABC
Did I really hear Diane Sawyer say that the woman was taking her "boyfriend's toddler" on this flight--she's NOT the mother? Are we all being jerked around on this one, like little miss 7" skirt Kyla?