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Date of hire offers the west to flip / flop between full and part time. Do you really want that !!!!! East seniority is alot, predicated on staying as one classification ( fulltme if you can get there or a time period of not losing any if you are furloghed ). If you choose to voluntarily change ur fulltime status then you should lose time. Make ur choices wisely.
 
Date of hire offers the west to flip / flop between full and part time. Do you really want that !!!!! East seniority is alot, predicated on staying as one classification ( fulltme if you can get there or a time period of not losing any if you are furloghed ). If you choose to voluntarily change ur fulltime status then you should lose time. Make ur choices wisely.

East can flip flop also. You don't lose time anymore. The problem lies where those that lost time for being part time, never got their time back when US went to a straight date of hire system in 96. Which meant that junior agents jumped ahead of senior agents. It is going to be the same scenario again, once we completely merge ramp workforces. How would you like it if you had an 87 part time hire date, but a 90 adjusted full time date, and an 88 west part timer (that bids everything by hire date) will be ahead of you in seniority once we are fully merged?
 
IAM = I'LL ASK MANAGEMENT
When is the IAM going to start working for us? This change in control grievance was a BIG wast of time. Time that should of been spent on getting a transition agreement.
 
It was not a waste of time if you were an East Employee who was effected by it.

And the IAM and the company did meet numerous times to get a transition agreement, all the company wants to do is cherry pick the worst parts of both agreements and give you nothing in return.

9/7/2007 Negotiations Update
 
That would be section 6 which wont start till the end of 2009.

Once again I ask you, what leverage does the IAM have to get back the outsourced cities?
700, the IAM has plenty of leverage.
Why do you think the Company is going back to the table at the end of the month, because they are nice fellas? Of course not. The company needs capital and the investment people are telling the company 'no more doe' until it cleans things up and finally transitions the company. IT NEEDS A TRANSITION AGREEMENT FOR FUNDS...which are the juice for any airline.

The last contract was dispicable and was not a result of the COC anyways. The COC was thrown in there by the IAM as a token of sacrifice. Fleet service paid for that contract with an extension of 2 years on the bankrupcy contract, giving up profit sharing [$1,000-$2,000 checks for those topped out], and 19 stations gone.

I gotta jet now but Ill write more later. The environment has changed for the positive. Your company has made hundreds of millions and analysts say it will continue to make hundreds of millions even with $100 oil. Rampers and the IAM shouldn't give a rip about playing economist and measureing oil prices, they should be concerned about industry standards and how much the company made. Screw transition unless the west and east get a fair contract.

regards,
 
"Traditional Railway Labor Act bargaining is not scheduled to begin until late 2009 when the current
East agreements become amendable"


And go well into 2011-2012 :huh:

Kiss PIT base maintenance goodbye kiddies............
 
Well Now you will see parker and the boys get a nice Bonus for this B/S!!!!!!!

All i can say is that the IAM didn't really fight for this they just went thru the motions look at the the final briefs..........How profesnials the co looks and how the IAM's looked like some armchair lawyer did it!!!
For you westies i read that your saying we shouldn't cry over this but i bet you would be crying if you didn't get the free monies from the east profit sharing! Last year you westies only got about 1/3 of it this year you get a full year so why you westies just give back the money to the easties or be our brothers and sisters and help us fight for what is rightfully ALL ours ????
We need better pay as I am making the same as i did in '88
Just a Thing to both EAST and WEST is to always work safe and don't scarfice yourself for a company that don't give a rat behind about you!!!!
We might have 2 yrs until a new CBA so let the games begin Parker stalls us for 2 yrs now we have to show him and the board of directors that when you paly with fire you get burned!!!
 
No it cannot be appealed, it is an arbitration case, not a court case.

And the same attorney, Bob Bush presented the Airbus Arbitration, the 401K and the HMO and the IAM all of those with the same attorney who presented the COC arbitration.
 
Bob,

M&R never had a deal, never voted on a Transition Agreement and pushed it all the way, dont confuse M&R with Fleet.
 
I don't post much on this board but I do read it often and I feel compelled to give my thoughts on the CIC (before I start I want to say I'm not "pro IAM" trust me). I think we shouldn't get all up in arms over this because the IAM did the best they could and push this through the legal process it was the company who pulled all the shenanigans. Even if the IAM won the company was willing to spend any amount of time and money to keep the grievance tied up in the courts for years so getting a retro check was slim to none anyway. The IAM told us from the start of this that if they did win the company would do this so the best thing the IAM could do was to use it for bargaining leverage, now that we have lost this leverage I still think we have solid footing for negotiating a transition agreement for several reasons; 1. The stock price is lower then the stock was introduced at meaning the pressure is on upper management to increase it. 2. With a divided work force the company is driving away passengers at an alarming rate and our competitors know this all they have to do is start cherry picking our profitable routes (which could happen if industry consolidation occurs) and it's game over for us. 3. With the CIC over the company can be the acquirer if the upcomming consolidation happens even if they give us a raise we will still be the most underpaid work force out there and if they can extend the amendable dates that would be a plus if a merger happens. If the company wants to merge with another carrier they need to get their house in order so they need to work with the unions to accomplish this.

Lets not fight with the IAM like the pilots are doing with ALPA it's not their fault the decision went the other way, if they would not have taken a chance on going to arbitration could you imagine all the crying we would be hearing from the member about that?

Now the real reason I felt compelled to to post is this I think we need to fight the real enemy and that enemy is the company we all need to join together in these negotiations for a good TA and if the TA is unacceptable then vote it down but keep the focus on the enemy. I firmly believe that Parker is not the right guy for the job he is a thrill seeking opportunist willing to gamble anything to fill his ego. What we need now is a leader not an opportunist and I think the BOD realizes this that is why we see the big change in his demeanor I believe he is fighting for his job and a merger is the only way he can save it(I know the BOD will buy his line about all he has learned from this merger and the next one will go smoother trust him).

Remember this simple point; You will know them by their fruits! Don't listen to what the company says judge them buy what they do, if they say if they say they want a TA but don honestly negotiate in good faith and continue to pull their shenanigans then they are not really serious about it and we should let them know we. It's up to you not the union. The union is in business to support the international with your dues money so your vote is your only voice you have to use it wisely and if it comes down to a inferior TA then we should vote it down and if the next one is no better we should vote it in and focus your efforts on voting out the IAM but only after we get a new TA if not the process will take years longer to get a fair contract. Well thanks for letting me rant.
 
Gee Tim Nelson, what have you got to say about all this? You seem to have the answer for everything!
IMO, the IAM legal staff did a good job at presenting this grievance. It was worthy to be heard and the IAM believed there was a change of control. The leadership of the district was forced to present this case. At any rate, the arbitrator's decision is final. Case closed.

Separately, the previous contract rejection stood on its own, regardless of the COC outcome. The rejected T/A was a concessionary contract all the way around. And the next T/A should be an improvement based on the leverage the union has as a result of US AIRWAYS capital position, continued profits, and inability to raise future capital until it gets the transition agreements Dougie needs. Do you think US AIRWAYS was so quick to schedule new negotiations because they are nice fellas, or do you realize US AIRWAYS needs a transition agreement? If it didn't need a transition agreement, you wouldn't see US AIRWAYS schedule one single negotiations session until 2010. This much is known and a given.

My main concern is the IAM leadership, which has to be replaced.
With the grievance decision, Your IAM leaders are already trying to 'taint the bargaining' and 'prostitute themselves in whoredom' by saying, "Airline industry conditions, and the situation at US Airways in particular, have deteriorated in the last year..." The suggestion of theirs is that you don't deserve what is fair. I say you do but you will have to 'stick together' against the union whores and continue to make it clear to them that you believe you deserve a fair contract.

That statement is a clear indicator that these guys are still the same A$$H**** they have always been. It would have been better for them to say nothing than to continue being the company's mouthpiece. At any rate, the company's financial position is solid with hundreds of millions of dollars in profits during the last 12 months. Further, all analyst project $5 billion estimate of earnings this year for the airline industry, even at $100 barrel for oil.

Here are a few snipets of analyst known as 'airline experts'

"Obviously oil is a big factor, but on the other side of the quarter is airlines keeping passenger loads high and raising airfares," said FTN Midwest analyst Michael Derchin.

news article;
Though high oil prices will continue to dog US Airways and other carriers, Neidl said he expects US Airways to overcome its problems and have a good performance in 2008. He's put an "Add" rating on US Airways stock.
"I'm still looking for only an economic slowdown next year, not a recession," he said. "If that's the case, they should be able to make money in that type of environment, even with the oil prices staying at high levels."

Folks, Labor leaders who are manufacturing 'gloom and doom' negotiations because of $100 oil prices are liars. Real labor leaders will see that:
1. Your company has raked in hundreds of millions of dollars over the past 12 months because of the blood, sweat, and tears of the hard working human beings that work for the company.
2. Your company is operating 'business as usual' because money is coming out of its nose. So much that Senior executives have got renewed contracts, plenty of money to appoint even more Vice Presidents, etc.
3. All industry analyst point towards continued profits.


With a profitable environment and your company's need for a transition agreement, leverage is tipped towards the workers. Another thing that helps the leverage of the union is that your pay sux and is at the bottom of the airline industry. Most rampers from non-union Continental, United, American, SWA, etc make over $20hr top out. Even non-union Bankrupt Delta pays rampers more. If you folks were already compensated fairly then your leverage would not be as great. Presumably, because of 'piss clam' pay, you have some folks working the ramp doing things that you have read about in the papers. US AIRWAYS needs to address the human predicament on its property. Bottom line, if US AIRWAYS didn't need to bring home a transition agreement, then NO WAY would US AIRWAYS have agreed to negotiate at this point. They are not nice fellas.

Any negotiations should start where the rejected TA left off at. Remember, the last TA was a concession.

As a side, section 6 negotiations are worthy for the west because of many 'good reasons', but the present leadership doesn't listen. Clearly, nothing is wrong with section 6 negotiations, and in the meantime if a fair transition can be worked out then great.

regards,
 
I agree with a lot of the sentiment , this meeting coming up on the 21st is going to be nothing other than world defining . I know that OUR union leaders are going to be under intense pressure to come back with an agreement , OR else … and I know that the company is going to be under intense pressure to offer an agreement OR else .

I would like to think that both parties will sit down at the table and bargain in a reasonable manner ,in good faith towards achievable goals .


Let’s protect jobs when we can , and lets raise the morale of this work force and the image of our company by providing a contract that both the east and the west sides can feel comfortable voting yes too .
 
There is no way to get a TA with nothing to bargain with and no incentive for the LLC
to come to the table. The only hope is for the IAM to begin negotiating the TWU
contract. Why haven't they done that? Too much cost to them and not getting
access to the west dues.

Here's a couple of questions I have: Why If the COC was so little did the IAM even
put it in the contract. Answser: They did It to make the east think they were
doing something for them. When it came to crunch time they bailed claiming it
only was a "slim chance". Or why didnt they like the other labor groups bring it
up during negotiations at the time of the merger? According to the arbitrator this
is standard proceedure.

Why didn't they pursue this in a court of law? Answer: They could never match
the deep pockets of the LLC.

I think it's time to get real. The IAM is weak and getting weaker. The next TA will
be about the same as the last one and will last for 5 years. During which time
any thing could happen. My preference to think in long range terms. What do you
want for this labor force? A few more bucks an hour over the next couple of years?
Or do you want an agreement which reflects the real worth of fleet service. You
really have the choice of what to make of this job.

I know that to really fight[ messages in suitcases is not really fighting] invloves sacrifice.
I cannot say that I'll be sacrificing myself and I know that a lot of you will feel much
pain if you have to wait 2-3 years for an new contract. But please acknowledge what
your doing to this craft by giving in.

IMO no one has been able to answer the question why the IAM has never persued
section 6 for the west. The best answer and actually the only answer was given by
700[UW]. When finally pushed he claimed that section 6 is worthless because the
NMB will never support you. I'm not an expert but I completly reject that arguement.
Well there was one other answer wich came from Canale that It would be fruitless.
This makes some sence in terms of what the east would get. But It could work if
It were used mainly to secure back pay and if it expired the same time the BK
CBA expired.
Thanks BF
 
The COC as any other grievance is an arbitration issue, not for the courts to decide under the RLA, remember the company tried to use the court system to prevent the arbitration in bankruptcy court and the IAM filed suit in district court to force the arbitration to go ahead.

The grievance was consider a minor dispute, not a major dispute that is why it went to arbitration and into the court system.
 
I agree with a lot of the sentiment , this meeting coming up on the 21st is going to be nothing other than world defining . I know that OUR union leaders are going to be under intense pressure to come back with an agreement , OR else … and I know that the company is going to be under intense pressure to offer an agreement OR else .

I would like to think that both parties will sit down at the table and bargain in a reasonable manner ,in good faith towards achievable goals .


Let’s protect jobs when we can , and lets raise the morale of this work force and the image of our company by providing a contract that both the east and the west sides can feel comfortable voting yes too .
I'm not sure the company feels any great pressure. Or else what? A rebellion
of PHX rampers? Informational picketing? I do however believe that the IAM
feels a lot of pressure to come up with something. Without the COC and without
a threat of section 6 what can they get? To me now the only bargaining chip
is 2 year down the road[east cba} but I't should be worth something now. We'll see I
hope your right about the outcome. Thanks BF
 

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