Change of Control Award

[Tim Nelson]

I think the company will return to the table offering something similar to what they offered before . Many of you believed that the change of control was worth something , but doug parker specifically stated that he thought it was worth very little , which in fact it was .So I feel that what was offered to us before ,really was offered based on it’s own merits .

I believe that we are still close to finalizing an agreement .There only need be two adjustments to the last TA offered us , full holiday pay and better job security , and then we can sign it for a number of years and everyone can go home happy . A while ago I would have pushed for full sick pay in addition to points one and two , but with the recession looming and our loss of the COC , I think it’s now only reasonable to push for those two issues and nothing more .

Our workforce needs a transition agreement , this company needs a transition agreement , our investors need a transition agreement . We’ve been talking about this merger and it’s progress for a very long time now , but we’ve had little to show for it other than a new computer system and paint jobs . We need a LONG term plan , and we need to add VALUE to our company . It’s one thing to craft new uniforms and banners and throw them out into public view and say “viola , we’re merged “ it’s another to take two different work groups with different cultures and morale issues and get them to work towards a common goal . It’s time for doug parker and his numerous VP’s to begin to tackle the CORE problems that are continuing to drag us airways down in performance ,customer satisfaction and public perception . Labor issues are not easy , but on the other hand , ignoring them simply doesn’t work , it’s not a strategy for long term success . Right now Us Airways has a golden opportunity to sit down with one of it’s work groups and hammer out a labor agreement that both groups will be able to not only live with , but actually be happy about .

excellent reasonable post. Bravo Freedom!

True, Doug offered the last contract on its own merits based on his thinking that the COC was next to meaningless [see town hall meetings]. Although I personally think the last TA needs more work on it than you expressed, your opinion is definately on the right path and inside the margins.

regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

I think the company will return to the table offering something similar to what they offered before . Many of you believed that the change of control was worth something , but doug parker specifically stated that he thought it was worth very little , which in fact it was .So I feel that what was offered to us before ,really was offered based on it’s own merits .

I believe that we are still close to finalizing an agreement .There only need be two adjustments to the last TA offered us , full holiday pay and better job security , and then we can sign it for a number of years and everyone can go home happy . A while ago I would have pushed for full sick pay in addition to points one and two , but with the recession looming and our loss of the COC , I think it’s now only reasonable to push for those two issues and nothing more .

Our workforce needs a transition agreement , this company needs a transition agreement , our investors need a transition agreement . We’ve been talking about this merger and it’s progress for a very long time now , but we’ve had little to show for it other than a new computer system and paint jobs . We need a LONG term plan , and we need to add VALUE to our company . It’s one thing to craft new uniforms and banners and throw them out into public view and say “viola , we’re merged “ it’s another to take two different work groups with different cultures and morale issues and get them to work towards a common goal . It’s time for doug parker and his numerous VP’s to begin to tackle the CORE problems that are continuing to drag us airways down in performance ,customer satisfaction and public perception . Labor issues are not easy , but on the other hand , ignoring them simply doesn’t work , it’s not a strategy for long term success . Right now Us Airways has a golden opportunity to sit down with one of it’s work groups and hammer out a labor agreement that both groups will be able to not only live with , but actually be happy about .

excellent reasonable post. Bravo Freedom!

True, Doug offered the last contract on its own merits based on his thinking that the COC was next to meaningless [see town hall meetings]. Although I personally think the last TA needs more work on it than you expressed, your opinion is definately on the right path and inside the margins.

regards,

 

[700UW]

So, you are stating that if circumstances arose that MTC and Related East were to strike, Fleet could not honor the strike?

I did not say that.

Reread your CBA, it says you can honor a picket line of a sanctioned strike by US employees.

Ok, if there is no mechanics at a particular station and their is no picket line, you would have to report to work.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,

How big is this network and who is involved? We need everybody to work together....not such a few people that can type a mean post.

The network isn't a few disgruntled individuals, I can assure you. It is made up of those who have been 'heavily involved' with labor. Presently, it is exclusive to fleet service but it would be nice to have mechanics tied in on board to it.

Fleet service is in 50 stations, and the network is in over 40 of them and IMO represents over 95% of the membership. Much stronger in PHX and the west now, and even more strong on the eastside. It's mission is to secure a fair and equitable contract for fleet service and that includes mobilizing against any more written nonsense from Parker and his boy Canale, and also involves securing this district union for the next 10 years by removing the 'deadweight' from office. That process will commence in February as the network of stations and their 'collective teeth' will reveal itself more clearly when officer nominations take place.

Any mechanics who have been involved in labor issues over the years and still engaged in the issues are welcome. Two crafts are always better than one. To this end, I can be contacted at: appearances1@aol.com and would be willing to bring both crafts together against the 'clear and present' dangers of the current IAM Bosses.

regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

You forgot to mention that when you smash this down, that Dougie will love it! Since he gets to hold down an employee group under less than favorable terms for the workforce for a bit longer.

Think long and hard about what you are being offered, and take the long-term view, not the short-term view that you are falling for.

Your statement is nonsensical and meritless. Why would Dougie love for something he signs, agrees to, and supports to get rejected? I don't follow you on that one. Are you just suggesting he's really a nice fella and playing games with all this? If Dougie doesn't want or need a transition agreement then dougie won't sign one. It's just that simple.

His last TA got rejected, yet he was quick to come back and negotiate one more time. It is quite evident that he wants and needs a transition.

At any rate, I think you are way to fascinated on Dougie and the investors. Focus on the workers not Dougie and you won't see anyone laughing. You start seeing alot of 'pissed off like hell' faces, some of which are reportedly by the media already taking matters in their own hands.

regards,

appearances1@aol.com

 

[GoldenRam94]

You certainly have all of the answers Tim!

You will find out, that what you are about to be offered will not differ that much from what you previously rejected. You can continue to live in a world that denies this reality, and continue to steer a group of people to follow your twisted thinking. See me in a few months when the next shoe drops!

 

[Hadenough]

Golden Ram
The network is a lot larger than you might think. There are a lot of active members and many more passive ones as well. There is not a day that goes by that I don't hear someone talking about what goes on here and on another site called "JustPlaneNews". I take every opportunity I get to steer people here so they can keep informed about what goes on inside their own company and union. Its kind of sad that this is our best source of information.

As for any agreement that is reached if it is not fair to both east and west I will work my a$$ off to shoot it down.

Had enough and will not take it anymore.

 

[Hadenough]

You certainly have all of the answers Tim!

You will find out, that what you are about to be offered will not differ that much from what you previously rejected. You can continue to live in a world that denies this reality, and continue to steer a group of people to follow your twisted thinking. See me in a few months when the next shoe drops!

I will take Tim's answers over anything that comes out of the IAM. I know at least he has our best interest in mind. Even 700 babbles something important ever once in a while even though he is in love with his beloved IAM. There are plenty of people on here that I would rather hear than the dribble that comes out of "Boss Hog" and "Sheriff Rosco". Cleatus and the other deputies have been removed from office in CLT so who is next.

 

[necigrad]

What necigrad is proposing is segregation.

And once again, do you think the company would negotiate in good faith for the west, knowing they have still negotiate to bring both groups under one CBA?

Yes, it is segregation, but only in the sense that it is to make the West whole in every way from being segregated by the IAM. The IAM failed to get us transitioned, using us as leverage to better the East employees as well. They could have just combined us, but they didn't. I figured out that AFTER insurance and everything I was losing about $350/check by not being on the East payscale. That's my car payment and rent over the month. And that doesn't count any pension. But insted they chose to use the West as leverage to get the East guys something better. Commendable idea, except they did a #### job doing it. Sixty percent didn't like it. And most of that 60% was the group they were trying to get better benefits for. While my idea does segregate it also includes a plan for FULL integration in 2009. This half assed strategy of the IAM has none of that, and is costing everyone in the long run. Everyone except maybe the Company, and they may be hurt by this too. The employees are losing wages and benefits, the IAM is forced to use resources to resolve this and are losing increased dues from increased wages, and the Company may be losing financial options and is definatly losing performance (thus customers) for crappy service due to low morale.

Yes, I do think the Company will negotiate in good faith. They want this done too. They have to be responsible to the shareholders, so they will nickle and dime, but they want this resolved too.

 

[Hadenough]

Necigrad
The majority of the people in the east would agree that the west is getting screwed when it comes to wages. But it not just about the pay. There are certain things in your contract that are better than the one we have. I say lets combine the best of both and get a deal that is fair to everyone both east and west. That way we can move on as a unified work force and help make US one of the best in the industry. We have the people to do that but sadly it is up to management and the IAM to provide us with a reasonable and fair T/A. Lets not put any more distance between us. We have HAD ENOUGH of that already.

 

[Planemx]

Necigrad
The majority of the people in the east would agree that the west is getting screwed when it comes to wages. But it not just about the pay. There are certain things in your contract that are better than the one we have. I say lets combine the best of both and get a deal that is fair to everyone both east and west. That way we can move on as a unified work force and help make US one of the best in the industry. We have the people to do that but sadly it is up to management and the IAM to provide us with a reasonable and fair T/A. Lets not put any more distance between us. We have HAD ENOUGH of that already.

With this loss it seems we're closer than ever before. It is not up to mgmt to provide us with a reasonable and fair T/A...it is up to ALL the members to DEMAND it.

 

[Hey.. Chill Out]

Lol. Sorry I had to.


It's true though of Parker.

 

[Tim Nelson]

You certainly have all of the answers Tim!

You will find out, that what you are about to be offered will not differ that much from what you previously rejected. You can continue to live in a world that denies this reality, and continue to steer a group of people to follow your twisted thinking. See me in a few months when the next shoe drops!

Again, my concern isn't necessarily about what is offered, my concern is what can be accepted. IN other words, what is offered is meaningless if it is not something that can be accepted.

The differences is that the offering is an action of management, the acceptance is one of the members. Focus on the workers and what they need, stop focusing on Parker and what his intentions and actions are. Stop the reactionary self fulfilling nonsense that has polluted you, Parker's Boy, and the negotiations team.

Remember, fleet service can only control its own actions and should anticipate Dougie/Canale doing what Dougie/Canale does best.
If we have to do this 4 times and go 'merry go round' with Dougie then so be it. Draggin things on may make the 'bottom fall out' as the current number of 'pissed off workers' may swell 10x the current number. A fair deal needs to be done 'soon enough'. The last thing we need is more nuts going around taking matters into their own hands and writing 'love letters' to passengers. Unfortunately, such is a human manifestation of frustrations resulting from a management team that isn't too good at listening or understanding. Things have apparently gotten so out of hand and whacky that the usual gripes, complaints, and housekeeping matters have spilled out in newspapers.

If it can't be done and we have to go to section 6 then so be it. Not until fleet service gets a contract that has dignity and respect will Dougie get what he needs. Dougie doesn't know does he?

Dougie needs a transition agreement, fleet service needs a fair contract. This is basic.
It's not either/or, it will have to be 'both/and' if it's to get done. Otherwise, the new district officers will start revying up section 6 negotiations for the west once we throw you and the other 'deadweight' out of office.

regards,
regards,

 

[Hadenough]

With this loss it seems we're closer than ever before. It is not up to mgmt to provide us with a reasonable and fair T/A...it is up to ALL the members to DEMAND it.

We have already demanded it by voting down the last POS of a T/A. The ball is in their court(IAM and Parker). We just don't know what rules they are playing by. Once we find that out then we can decide if we want to play the game with them. Or not.

 

[Smartest Loser]

The IAM at USAirways is like Rocky Moselle of the International Star Registry....

Selling you something they can never deliver. :down: :down:

SL