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Congrats Michael Sam!

eolesen said:
Uh, you mean the number of judges who have forced it on states?... How many legalized it via the legislative process?...
 
 
Yes I do mean judges.  Not sure.  How many states passed civil rights laws on their own?  How many passed women's suffrage on their own?  Would you be willing to place your rights up to a ballot initiative?  The judges have struck down the laws on 14th amendment basis.  States don't have the right to violate the COTUS no matter how badly the populace wants to. 
 
I am curious. Does your willingness to vote on 14th issues also extend to the 1st and 2nd or does it just extend to rights you disagree with? I mean if a city were to pass a law outlawing the KKK from speaking in public but a judge struck down that law would you think the judges ruling was wrong?
 
NewHampshire Black Bears said:
 
You couldn't make a decent PIMPLE...on (the) Dog's ASSSSSSS  !
 
Stupid RED-NECK...SHIIT KICKER  !!!!!!!!
Shouldn't you be painting over graffiti on box cars or telling us how proud you are that you and your union screw over the company that pay's both of yours salaries.....BIGOT?
 
delldude said:
Kind of ironic.....picked up by the Rams.........
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Surprised he didn't go to San Fran. Guess it would have been really obvious the NFL had a hand in it though!
 
Wonder what kind of payback the Rams will get from the NFL?
 
traderjake said:
 
Yes.
 
Because of this, and their promotion of Obamacare, gun control, and global warming I'm boycotting the NFL.
 
Agreed for some years now myself. I personally don't have any "dog" in a "fight" over anyone's sexual orientation, which strikes me as covered under the basic concepts of individual Freedom. Whomever anyone chooses to find love with in this life just ain't my business...period. Without any inference intended to this case: It's obvious though, that the NFL just SO much cares about American values that they'll sell out even the most basic notions of morality in any case.  Anything for a buck, ya' know? Let's not overlook the fact that they're just fine with employing and enriching this sadistic and clearly psychotic azzhole: http://aldf.org/resources/laws-cases/animal-fighting-case-study-michael-vick/
 
snapthis said:
Oh, by the way, I don't care if he's green or gay. Just play and leave the things that belong in the bedroom, in the bedroom.
 
Agreed.
 
xUT said:
Man, MeriKa is so f$c&ed up it is unbelievable.
 
Amen! To a level I'd have never earlier dreamed, in even my worst-ever nightmares, could even possibly come to someday pass.  Nowadays; it's clearly just fine to employ a proven torturer and murderer of helpless animals....but some player just tweeting a disagreement to a draft choice is proper grounds for censure?...And then be forced into some BS re-education!!?? Folks...You just can't make this kind of utter insanity up!
 
Dog torturing, animal murderer and thus fully demonstrated psychopath. = Now socially acceptable and fully employable...Really?
Tweeting an opinion though. = REALLY BAD!....Seriously?
 
Were any players' opinions of Michael Vick deemed reasons for censuring and "therapy"? That's an honest question.
 
"Man, MeriKa is so f$c&ed up it is unbelievable." Doesn't even begin to even start to serve here anymore.....
 
eolesen said:
Uh, you mean the number of judges who have forced it on states?... How many legalized it via the legislative process?...
 
Polls show a majority of Americans support gay marriage now.
 
EastUS1 said:
 
Amen! To a level I'd have never earlier dreamed, in even my worst-ever nightmares, could even possibly come to someday pass.  Nowadays; it's clearly just fine to employ a proven torturer and murderer of helpless animals....but some player just tweeting a disagreement to a draft choice is proper grounds for censure?...And then be forced into some BS re-education!!?? Folks...You just can't make this kind of utter insanity up!
 
 
Don't like it? Don't watch the NFL.
 
Ms Tree said:
I am curious. Does your willingness to vote on 14th issues also extend to the 1st and 2nd or does it just extend to rights you disagree with? I mean if a city were to pass a law outlawing the KKK from speaking in public but a judge struck down that law would you think the judges ruling was wrong?
I'm a fairly strict Constitutionalist who grew up a couple towns over from Skokie, where the Nazi's got the right to speak in the middle of one of the largest Jewish populations in Chicago.

The law was right in that case, but only because an actual right in the Constitution was involved.

Where your argument falls apart is that there's no Constitutional right to marry.

We've been down that road a dozen times: marriage was never the government's to define anymore than they can define who gets the title of Reverend, Rabbi, or Bishop. It's a religious covenant that's been granted recognition by the states, and particular rights and privileges associated to it. My position has long been that I'd prefer those rights and privileges give equal recognition of marriage and civil unions.

If a church decides to allow gay marriages, so be it. It's their domain to define, not the State's.

Back to the topic, I could care less if Michael Sam made the team or not.

What strikes me as ironic is that you're rolling out the equal protection clause, yet it's pretty clear that Sam is getting extra protection.

What other last round draft pick has had this much attention garnered on them?

Some day he'll take a hit in a game which lays him on the ground, and some asshat will claim it was because he's gay.

He's a mediocre player, and when the time comes to put him on waivers, more asshats will claim it's because he's gay, not because there's no room for mediocrity in the NFL.
 
eolesen said:
Some day he'll take a hit in a game which lays him on the ground, and some asshat will claim it was because he's gay.

He's a mediocre player, and when the time comes to put him on waivers, more asshats will claim it's because he's gay, not because there's no room for mediocrity in the NFL.
 
Can we cool it with the dramatic prognostications and hold off cynical judgements until the facts are in and reality occurs? Honestly, you're almost as bad as WT.
 
That's hardly drama, Ad. It's increasingly becoming reality that race/gender/orientation identity starts to trump that of the individual.

People who said Obama was an amateur and unqualified to be President are accused of believing so based on his race, not because he was unqualified.

People who think Hillary would be a horrible choice for President are accused of believing so because she's a woman, not because of her own record.
 
I don't want to get sucked down this tangent too far, but let me address your concern. In the future, will someone accuse a player of unfair treatment relating to Sim's open homosexuality? I don't know. Probably. You can't control what people say or do. It's important not to get too bent out of shape about it. In the future, will another unbalanced person legally obtain a firearm and take out a school full of 7 year olds? I don't know. Probably. But I guess we aren't supposed to get too bent out of shape about that, either.
 
eolesen said:
I'm a fairly strict Constitutionalist who grew up a couple towns over from Skokie, where the Nazi's got the right to speak in the middle of one of the largest Jewish populations in Chicago.

The law was right in that case, but only because an actual right in the Constitution was involved.

Where your argument falls apart is that there's no Constitutional right to marry.

We've been down that road a dozen times: marriage was never the government's to define anymore than they can define who gets the title of Reverend, Rabbi, or Bishop. It's a religious covenant that's been granted recognition by the states, and particular rights and privileges associated to it. My position has long been that I'd prefer those rights and privileges give equal recognition of marriage and civil unions.

If a church decides to allow gay marriages, so be it. It's their domain to define, not the State's.

Back to the topic, I could care less if Michael Sam made the team or not.

What strikes me as ironic is that you're rolling out the equal protection clause, yet it's pretty clear that Sam is getting extra protection.

What other last round draft pick has had this much attention garnered on them?

Some day he'll take a hit in a game which lays him on the ground, and some asshat will claim it was because he's gay.

He's a mediocre player, and when the time comes to put him on waivers, more asshats will claim it's because he's gay, not because there's no room for mediocrity in the NFL.
You should probably take another look at some of your civics books.  The COTUS does not grant rights to anyone.  If you read through the COTUS and the bill of rights all it does is limit what government can do.  The 1st does not grant the right to free speech, it restricts the government from “abridging” it.  The 1st does not grant freedom of religion, it restricts the government from prohibiting freedom of religion.  The 2nd prevents the government from “infringing” on the right to bear arms given the need for a militia.  And it goes on.  Nowhere in the Bill of Rights does it grant freedoms because according to the people who wrote the document, the rights we possess as humans are natural rights.   
 
The 14th says that any laws that the government does make must apply equally to all people and that is where your argument not only takes a wrong turn and falls flat but proceeds to careen straight over a cliff to a fiery death.  More than a dozen courts have said that the bans on marriage equality violate the COTUS because of the equal protection clause of the COTUS.  Read the cases if you do not believe me.  Hell, you should contact all those judges and let them know that they were misguided.  I'm, sure they would love to hear from you.
 
Not sure how attention equates to rights.  Sam does not and is not being granted any extra rights.  He is getting added attention because he is breaking a barrier.  As I said earlier, if you do not like the added attention then stop prohibiting people from doing stuff.
 
[SIZE=16pt]Because of the ban on marriage equality, when the court does reverse it you may want to go into seclusion for a few days or a week.  It is going to be major news.   [/SIZE]
 
eolesen said:
That's hardly drama, Ad. It's increasingly becoming reality that race/gender/orientation identity starts to trump that of the individual.

People who said Obama was an amateur and unqualified to be President are accused of believing so based on his race, not because he was unqualified.

People who think Hillary would be a horrible choice for President are accused of believing so because she's a woman, not because of her own record.
Not really.  They were being accused of being hypocrites because they did not have the same concern for the previous candidates.
 
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