Congrats Michael Sam!

[eolesen]

Really? I don't think Oprah and Holder were mincing any words when they called out Obama's opponents as racists.

http://www.diversityinc.com/news/oprah-president-obama-disrespected-hes-black-racism-die/
 

“There is a level of disrespect for the office that occurs. And that occurs, in some cases—and maybe even many cases—because he’s African-American,” the media mogul told the BBC during an interview about her movie, The Butler, and modern racism in America. “Has it ever crossed my mind? It’s crossed my mind probably as many times as it’s crossed your mind. Probably, it’s crossed my mind more times than it’s crossed your mind,” she answered when asked if she ever thought that the President was treated any differently because he’s Black.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2014/04/10/ag-eric-holder-plays-the-race-card-at-sharptons-national-action-network-conference-about-how-congress-treated-him/

Speaking to a black audience, Holder said

“The last five years have been defined by significant strides and by lasting reforms even in the face, even in the face of unprecedented, unwarranted, ugly and divisive adversity,” Holder said. “If you don’t believe that, you look at the way — forget about me, forget about me. You look at the way the attorney general of the United States was treated yesterday by a House committee — has nothing to do with me, forget that. What attorney general has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? What president has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment?”

Neither of those have to do with hypocrisy. It's about covering up their own ineptitude by playing a race card.

Specific to Sams, his being mediocre had nothing to do with him being gay. He's a one-trick pony as far as what positions he can perform in on the field. That will be his downfall, not who he sleeps with.

And, since you brought it up, how exactly have gay atheletes been blocked from professional sports all these years? It's not because of some grand scheme to exclude them. If they chose to stay in the closet, that was their choice, not the league's.

Clearly it hasn't stopped women from coming out over the years, but hey, they're largely excluded from team sports as well, and they make up 50% of the population, as opposed to the 3-5% that are GLBT.

You'll always have extremists who will shun the gays and sinners, but I suspect most people are a lot more accommodating and forgiving than the extremists want to paint them. The only ones making a big deal out of Sam's drafting in the last round are those who seem to think it's significant to always place gay people to succeed into the limelight.

The fact is that GLBT people have succeeded for decades, and few felt they needed to hold a press conference to announce their orientation, or bring it up every time they were promoted or "broke thru a barrier".

Then again, maybe that's because those people don't see their orientation as defining their identity as much as their skills in their field. Hmm. What a concept.

 

[delldude]

Don Jones anti-gay tweet gets a fine and sensitivity training.
 
Ray Rice beats the living crap out his old lady, knocks her out, drags her through a hotel lobby and not a peep. 
 
LOL

 

[AdAstraPerAspera]

I have to say I enjoyed your "wandering eyes" locker room remark paired with your eyeball gif sig. 🙂

 

[eolesen]

The 14th says that any laws that the government does make must apply equally to all people and that is where your argument not only takes a wrong turn and falls flat but proceeds to careen straight over a cliff to a fiery death.  More than a dozen courts have said that the bans on marriage equality violate the COTUS because of the equal protection clause of the COTUS.  Read the cases if you do not believe me.  Hell, you should contact all those judges and let them know that they were misguided.  I'm, sure they would love to hear from you.

Maybe you should re-read my position. I didn't disagree with the rulings on the equal protection clause. What I've said is that marriage shouldn't be defined or even granted by the state. I've been quite clear on that over the years. My faith defines my marriage, not government.
 

Because of the ban on marriage equality, when the court does reverse it you may want to go into seclusion for a few days or a week.  It is going to be major news.  

It won't impact me in the least bit. As I said, my faith defines my marriage, not the government. I don't get to call myself Doctor, Rabbi or Reverend just because I feel like it, even if the government says I can. There are certainly people who do that, but it doesn't mean they are in those who actually hold claim to those titles.

 

[traderjake]

 
Agreed for some years now myself. I personally don't have any "dog" in a "fight" over anyone's sexual orientation, which strikes me as covered under the basic concepts of individual Freedom. Whomever anyone chooses to find love with in this life just ain't my business...period. Without any inference intended to this case: It's obvious though, that the NFL just SO much cares about American values that they'll sell out even the most basic notions of morality in any case. 

 
It's none of my business what people do behind closed doors. 
 
It is my business when it's when it's thrown in my face and the face of young kids watching football.

 

[delldude]

I have to say I enjoyed your "wandering eyes" locker room remark paired with your eyeball gif sig. 🙂

 
LOL.....think about it though, guys gay and in a NFL locker room ....Alice in Wonderland

 

[Ms Tree]

Really? I don't think Oprah and Holder were mincing any words when they called out Obama's opponents as racists.

http://www.diversityinc.com/news/oprah-president-obama-disrespected-hes-black-racism-die/
 

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2014/04/10/ag-eric-holder-plays-the-race-card-at-sharptons-national-action-network-conference-about-how-congress-treated-him/

Speaking to a black audience, Holder said






Neither of those have to do with hypocrisy. It's about covering up their own ineptitude by playing a race card.

Specific to Sams, his being mediocre had nothing to do with him being gay. He's a one-trick pony as far as what positions he can perform in on the field. That will be his downfall, not who he sleeps with.

And, since you brought it up, how exactly have gay atheletes been blocked from professional sports all these years? It's not because of some grand scheme to exclude them. If they chose to stay in the closet, that was their choice, not the league's.

Clearly it hasn't stopped women from coming out over the years, but hey, they're largely excluded from team sports as well, and they make up 50% of the population, as opposed to the 3-5% that are GLBT.

You'll always have extremists who will shun the gays and sinners, but I suspect most people are a lot more accommodating and forgiving than the extremists want to paint them. The only ones making a big deal out of Sam's drafting in the last round are those who seem to think it's significant to always place gay people to succeed into the limelight.

The fact is that GLBT people have succeeded for decades, and few felt they needed to hold a press conference to announce their orientation, or bring it up every time they were promoted or "broke thru a barrier".

Then again, maybe that's because those people don't see their orientation as defining their identity as much as their skills in their field. Hmm. What a concept.

[SIZE=16pt]I think it’s a combination of the two.  Obama has a lot of detractors  who base their decision solely  on his race (both of my wifes parents have said exactly that) other do not like him for reason that you said but ignore the same short comings their previous candidate they supported.  The racial bias is far more prevalent that most would like to admit but not as widespread as some would suggest.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=16pt]If the choice is to hide who you are to gain access to some organization then they are being blocked.  It has nothing to do with feeling the need to hold a press conference.  They were doing everything possible to hide the fact that they were gay.  There is a difference.  Over the past few years the support for equality has become far more wide spread so people are less afraid to come out and say that they are gay.  Personally I do not see what the big deal it.  I think it’s a good thing.  It shows the gay youth of this country that they have a future where far more doors are open to them.  They do not have to hide who they are to be successful.  They can be gay and play sports, run for office or whatever they want.  [/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=16pt]I think the reason female sports have less of an issue with it is that women are more accepting of it than men.  Men are far more homophobic than women are.[/SIZE]

 

[AdAstraPerAspera]

Y'know, everyone loves to think that, but Sams is far from being the first gay dude in an NFL locker room, and the world hasn't ended nor has time stood still, as far as I know

 

[delldude]

Y'know, everyone loves to think that, but Sams is far from being the first gay dude in an NFL locker room, and the world hasn't ended nor has time stood still, as far as I know

 
But I bet a lot of sugar plums danced in their heads......
 

 

[AdAstraPerAspera]

I can't say I've ever been in an NFL locker room before, but when I played sports, I kept it professional

 

[Ms Tree]

Maybe you should re-read my position. I didn't disagree with the rulings on the equal protection clause. What I've said is that marriage shouldn't be defined or even granted by the state. I've been quite clear on that over the years. My faith defines my marriage, not government.
 

It won't impact me in the least bit. As I said, my faith defines my marriage, not the government. I don't get to call myself Doctor, Rabbi or Reverend just because I feel like it, even if the government says I can. There are certainly people who do that, but it doesn't mean they are in those who actually hold claim to those titles.

[SIZE=16pt]What you said was that “there is no constitutional right to marry”.  I merely pointed out that the COTUS does not grant any rights.  What you think should or should not be is really irrelevant.  Society has allowed the government to do it and now the religious right wants the government to be the protector of what they see as the proper definition of marriage.  I have yet to hear of any group arguing to allow all people to have a union and let religions do whatever they want.  [/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=16pt]Bottom line is that is impractical and just an exercise of splitting hairs.  I am married to my wife.  I have a paper filed with the state that says so.  I got “married” at a B&B ranch south of DFW by a JP.  No religion involved what so ever.  You can call it a civil union or a widget for all I care.  I as will most people call it a marriage.  Marriage is like “q-tip” or “bandaid”.  Those names are actually company product names.  We do not use the term Cotton swab or medical adhesive strip.  It’s easier.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=16pt]Government’s issue licenses and they do so in a biased manner.  Since government is involved they must (according to the 14th) issue licenses without bias.  It is very simple.  The bans will fall.  It’s just a matter of time.[/SIZE]

 

[Ms Tree]

 
It's none of my business what people do behind closed doors. 
 
It is my business when it's when it's thrown in my face and the face of young kids watching football.

Same crap was said about womens rights and minority rights.  Don't watch if you don't like it.  Better yet, just stop supporting bias and allow people to conduct their lives as they see fit and then being gay, transgender, polygamist or what ever will not be a big deal. 

 

[delldude]

SCOTUS won't want to wade into the issue just like they did last week defining a right to carry firearm.

 

[delldude]

[SIZE=16pt]I think it’s a combination of the two.  Obama has a lot of detractors  who base their decision solely  on his race (both of my wifes parents have said exactly that) other do not like him for reason that you said but ignore the same short comings their previous candidate they supported.  The racial bias is far more prevalent that most would like to admit but not as widespread as some would suggest.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=16pt]If the choice is to hide who you are to gain access to some organization then they are being blocked.  It has nothing to do with feeling the need to hold a press conference.  They were doing everything possible to hide the fact that they were gay.  There is a difference.  Over the past few years the support for equality has become far more wide spread so people are less afraid to come out and say that they are gay.  Personally I do not see what the big deal it.  I think it’s a good thing.  It shows the gay youth of this country that they have a future where far more doors are open to them.  They do not have to hide who they are to be successful.  They can be gay and play sports, run for office or whatever they want.  [/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=16pt]I think the reason female sports have less of an issue with it is that women are more accepting of it than men.  Men are far more homophobic than women are.[/SIZE]

 
Rant all you wish. They day the Progressives take off their mask and reveal the communists they really are, you will be of no significance anymore.....you all will realize you were only used for your vote.

 

[xUT]

#### (Love) you too xUT 😉

Thanks Bro... You know I get a little testy...
Sorry about that... 😛