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Contract work at MCI?

Ken, it's pretty simple.

The AA philosophy towards staffing for contracts seems to be "try to make it work with what you have first, and then we'll look at adding heads" which in itself isn't a bad way to approach it. It's certainly better than bringing people back just to furlough them again in a couple months because you realize you're overstaffed.

I think you'd stand to see more heads added in the long run by trying to strike a balance between of increasing productivity vs. headcount. By simply refusing to work OT, planning won't even consider adding the work if there's a chance the contract will be cancelled for non-performance. At least by trying to make the contract work, you've got workload that needs to be covered and justification for some heads, because nobody likes to see a high OT line on their station performance.

When you "try to make it work with what you have first" takes what kind of thinking? Is it purely a dollar choice as to how many heads are cut? What about morale? What about burn out for those left and work the ot?

I understand the arguement of benefits/pay for a full time employee vs. ot and paying the same person already on the clock a few extra dollars. But you mention the term "in the long run". How long is long? (No pun intended.) With company officials that take bonuses while we are to "share the sacrifice" I do not believe that the long run will be short. If things get done the company will keep the status quo.

Here's an example for you. In SAN we have 8 RON a/c. They have laid off 5 AMTs in this last round. We had only one AMT on a seperate relief bid. (Prior to the previous lay off we had up to 5 on the relief bid.) We worked 4 tens prior to the lay off.

We are now 5 AMTs short and are back on 5/8's. We have no relief crew, so if there is a vacation or such we have to suck it up. Now, our afternoon shift trys to get one of our 8 RON a/c accomplished. That leaves 7 for night shift which is about 5 guys. The inspections are now reduced to mainly 0922 checks. The given hours for each check should add up to the given man hours for that evening. We get the checks done but mostly do not have the time to t/s discrepancies already placarded when working inbound problems. We have been cut to the bare minimum. NOW, factor in a sick call and we are short handed. The ot is called, RARELY, but most people do not want to be here longer than they need to. (See morale comment above.) So, one or two RON a/c are left for the day shift to handle. OK, oh wait! They only have one AMT and one Crew Chief on shift. We had a OTS a/c with a brake take-off manifold to change. That left the CC to run around and put out the usual fires.

Do you see where I am going with this? At what point does something give? We are told that AA wants to get into the contract maintenance game... again. We use to do on call for everyone here but Delta, United & Northwest and USAir. The company would like to pick up on call for these airlines now that they have pulled their maintenance people out, plus the remaining airlines here. But we are told they will not call anyone back unless the contract is a gauranteed RON check. Otherwise, when I am changing that take-off manifold and my CC is putting out fires who goes to the other airline?

I thought that bonuses were paid to executives to "retain their expertise". You don't need to be an expert to know what is needed. Perhaps asking your work force would help.

I can't speak for other stations but I know we received an aircraft from another Class II station that had 31 items on the FMR. A week later the same aircraft came back with 42 items! (That's after I cleared 8 items from the original 31 item run.)

Perhaps someone else can relate a similar story or better yet, just tell me "how long is long". 😉
 
Ken, it's pretty simple.

The AA philosophy towards staffing for contracts seems to be "try to make it work with what you have first, and then we'll look at adding heads" which in itself isn't a bad way to approach it. It's certainly better than bringing people back just to furlough them again in a couple months because you realize you're overstaffed.

I think you'd stand to see more heads added in the long run by trying to strike a balance between of increasing productivity vs. headcount. By simply refusing to work OT, planning won't even consider adding the work if there's a chance the contract will be cancelled for non-performance. At least by trying to make the contract work, you've got workload that needs to be covered and justification for some heads, because nobody likes to see a high OT line on their station performance.
<_< ----First of all congrats on your new position! You may be one of the few sane people here! At this particular time it seems we've been getting more aa metal than contract work. Oh yes, we're working American Eagle, but most of us conceder that as just a extention of aa. The next real contract work we'll see, that I know of, will be Air Canada in the fall. Of course there's ALCOA, but to my understanding is they haven't found a 757 yet to work on, and that may take a while. But they're pulling people out of what few shopes we have left, rather than off the street, just to do what we now have! Have you seen the big tado about the new 767 busniess class seats? Well, who do you think they're concerdering to install them?

<_< ---- You know there's an old saying for this! "Sometimes you have to spend $10.00 to make a $100.00! (But than again, there seems to be an old saying for most everything!) 😛
 
Have you seen the big tado about the new 767 busniess class seats? Well, who do you think they're concerdering to install them?
AFW...The people who build those seats, Recaro, are across the street from AFW AA hangars, wouldn't make sense to ship them to MCI. Wait you're right, no sense needed, MCI will most likely do them. 😛
 
AFW...The people who build those seats, Recaro, are across the street from AFW AA hangars, wouldn't make sense to ship them to MCI. Wait you're right, no sense needed, MCI will most likely do them. 😛
<_< ---- To be fair about it. This really isn't a done deal yet! It may be one of those carrot and stick things! What I herd, aa gave AFW 19 days to get the first aircraft done. AFW did it in 30. So naturally they think we can do it in 12! (these numbers are what I herd on the floor, and could, or could not, have any place in the real world!) 😉
 
I've also seen my share of AMFA supporters eating up the OT like there's no tommorow.

There will always be people who work any chance they get regardless of who it hurts... If we were a younger work group, overtime might have more of an effect, more people might be likely to work it, I mean, if I had babies at home, I'd be putting in extra hours too. Alas, mine are grown and gone...
I don't want to hijack this thread, but what really gets under my skin are the boys who scab at NWA in any capacity...alot of them I'm ashamed to say are from TWA... hope I never have to work with one of them...
 
There will always be people who work any chance they get regardless of who it hurts... If we were a younger work group, overtime might have more of an effect, more people might be likely to work it, I mean, if I had babies at home, I'd be putting in extra hours too. Alas, mine are grown and gone...
I don't want to hijack this thread, but what really gets under my skin are the boys who scab at NWA in any capacity...alot of them I'm ashamed to say are from TWA... hope I never have to work with one of them...
<_<----- Mike, I don't doubt what you say. All I can say is I personaly don't know of any exTWAers working for Northworst!
 
There will always be people who work any chance they get regardless of who it hurts... If we were a younger work group, overtime might have more of an effect, more people might be likely to work it, I mean, if I had babies at home, I'd be putting in extra hours too. Alas, mine are grown and gone...
I don't want to hijack this thread, but what really gets under my skin are the boys who scab at NWA in any capacity...alot of them I'm ashamed to say are from TWA... hope I never have to work with one of them...


I know of few AA'ers who had been shafted on experience recognition and then stripped of their license pay that quit and went to scab.

The best one though, is Jerry Sowells, the TWU spokesperson from Northwest against AMFA. One guess where he is today? Inside the gates and across the picket line scabbing for Northwest Airlines.

This guy came to TWU Shop Stewards Meetings, and AMFA Informational Meetings all expenses and lost time paid by the TWU, and now look, he is nothing more than a worthless scab.
 
I know of few AA'ers who had been shafted on experience recognition and then stripped of their license pay that quit and went to scab.

Not the smartest thing to do if you ask me. Going to work for an airline that's not only BK but has terrible labor/management relations.
 
Not the smartest thing to do if you ask me. Going to work for an airline that's not only BK but has terrible labor/management relations.

Are the labor/management relations at AA any better????????
 

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