Contract work at MCI?

[MCI transplant]

No, they just send it to Tulsa or AFW. They could even send it to the Line stations, werent some of the door mods done in Boston?

<_< ---- Right! Send it to Boston! They estimate, it'll take 182 AMTs to do this Mod.! Their numbers not mine! And from what I hear, they want it in 12 days! The first plane was done in TUL. They wanted it done there in 19 days! They got it in 30! Needless to say they weren't too happy! Now I'll admit these are the numbers I heard on the floor, but they didn't make a decision to send it here for no reason! It all depends on how hard, and how quick, they want these birds? As for ALCOA, they are the ones that specified in their contract that the Mod. be done here at MCI! They're moving their staff of people here from Wichita, and will be manufacturing the kits here on premises!

 

[Bob Owens]

<_< ---- Right! Send it to Boston! They estimate, it'll take 182 AMTs to do this Mod.! Their numbers not mine! And from what I hear, they want it in 12 days! The first plane was done in TUL. They wanted it done there in 19 days! They got it in 30! Needless to say they weren't too happy! Now I'll admit these are the numbers I heard on the floor, but they didn't make a decision to send it here for no reason! It all depends on how hard, and how quick, they want these birds? As for ALCOA, they are the ones that specified in their contract that the Mod. be done here at MCI! They're moving their staff of people here from Wichita, and will be manufacturing the kits here on premises!

How many times must we tell yuo that it doesnt matter? You can jump as high as you like but where they put the work has little to do with performance. Look at St Loius. If the station doesnt perform they just lean on management. In the meantime they make up all these stories to play mindgames with you.

If they have decided thats where the work is going to be done then you have it, so if you do it in 30 instead of 12 it wont make any difference, except that they might start forcing OT if they need the aircraft.Like you said its their numbers!

 

[MCI transplant]

How many times must we tell yuo that it doesnt matter? You can jump as high as you like but where they put the work has little to do with performance. Look at St Loius. If the station doesnt perform they just lean on management. In the meantime they make up all these stories to play mindgames with you.

If they have decided thats where the work is going to be done then you have it, so if you do it in 30 instead of 12 it wont make any difference, except that they might start forcing OT if they need the aircraft.Like you said its their numbers!

<_< ---- Bob, I've been in this business long enough to know that if there's money involved, management takes a different path than if it's "just working on it's own metal"! Sure they could do the seat mod.in TUL, or AFW, or send it to Boston! But is there a reasonable chance they'd get them all done in the time frame they want if they do? (No offense Boston!) I'm not even sure we can do it in that time frame! But they have a lot of money, and face, tied up in P.R. on this thing! And they must feel they have a good chance at getting it done here, otherwise they wouldn't be sending it here to begin with! ALCOA----What happens when ALOCA's 757 is setting in our dock with a large hole cut in it's side? They're going to pick up the pieces and fly it off somewhere? I don't think so!!! As for forced anything! Have you ever heard the old saying:" you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink?" The simple fact is, if they want this bad enough, for the fist time, we now have a "little" leverage to negotiate with! That's all!

 

[AMFAMAN]

According to this, it is a done deal about the seat mod going to MCI.

http://local567.twuatd.org/RIF/CIP__2_.pdf


More info....
http://local567.twuatd.org/RIF/index.html

This Update effective 7/18/06

The AMT list has been updated, AA has indicated the intent to recall 18 AMT’s. While AFW did declare 65 AMT vacancies during the recent Line RIF only 3 AMT’s were able to exercised their seniority to AFW as an AMT. The Company has decided to shift the 767 CIP MOD to MCI where it will be done with existing head count from dock 12 and the CAM shops. 5 MCIE MBV’s will be worked at AFW with the 18 additional AMT’s and capacity gained through productivity improvements and Continuous Improvement . see the attached letter from David Campbell relating to this decision

 

[MCI transplant]

According to this, it is a done deal about the seat mod going to MCI.

http://local567.twuatd.org/RIF/CIP__2_.pdf
More info....
http://local567.twuatd.org/RIF/index.html

<_< --- Do miracles really happen? We may be getting four here at MCI! I'll believe it when I see it!

 

[Bob Owens]

The simple fact is, if they want this bad enough, for the fist time, we now have a "little" leverage to negotiate with! That's all!

"We" as in the guys at MCI?

Well hopefully "you", the guys of MCI, will do better with this opportunity than "you"-the guys from MCI did the last time you had leverage-ratification of the 2003 concessions, where "you"-the guys from MCI, put this whole crappy deal in place!

 

[MCI transplant]

"We" as in the guys at MCI?

Well hopefully "you", the guys of MCI, will do better with this opportunity than "you"-the guys from MCI did the last time you had leverage-ratification of the 2003 concessions, where "you"-the guys from MCI, put this whole crappy deal in place!

<_< Get over it Bob!----- "We" did what "We" felt "We" had to at the time! As did TUL, and AFW! Doesn't mean "I" agree with it! But there "It" is! 😉 If our so called leaders use this or not is really not the point. The point is we know it's there, and I believe to some extent, Management does also!

 

[AMFAMAN]

<_< Get over it Bob!----- "We" did what "We" felt "We" had to at the time! As did TUL, and AFW!

Let's be truthful with the vote results, AFW shot it down, along with locals 561, 562, 563, 565, 565. It passed 2 to 1 in Tulsa and 3 to 1 in MCI.

The results in this doc includes all work groups, but you can pick out the maintenance dominated locals.

http://local530.twuatd.org/Documents/Vote.pdf

 

[AMFAMAN]

http://local530.twuatd.org/Documents/Vote.pdf

Found a link for M&R only. MCI, Tulsa and title 2 carried the vote.

http://www.local564.org/564%20Election%20I...e%20Results.htm

 

[MCI transplant]

Let's be truthful with the vote results, AFW shot it down, along with locals 561, 562, 563, 565, 565. It passed 2 to 1 in Tulsa and 3 to 1 in MCI.

The results in this doc includes all work groups, but you can pick out the maintenance dominated locals.

http://local530.twuatd.org/Documents/Vote.pdf

<_< ----- No! Bob is upset with MCI!----- I'll only do this one time! But I'll "try" and explain why some of the members here voted the why they did! Again, I might not agree with it, but I can understand it! First, for real, or not, aa management let it be known that "if" they went into bankruptcy, MCI was history! Now remember, these are primarily exTWAers. They (we) have been there, at least twice! Now in itself, that wouldn't scare us that much, except, that "we" didn't have anywhere to go except the street if they did! If they shut down AFW, those people, at least, could bump the system! "We" didn't have that luxury!!! It seems our "Brothers" made sure of that! So, indirectly, you could say, the Brothers did it to themselves!!! But was there a few who used this vote as a way to even the score? I don't deny it! There probably were! Now I'm sure you can refute any and all of this, but to the best of my knowledge this how it came down.---- O.K. can we get past this?

 

[Bob Owens]

<_< Get over it Bob!----- "We" did what "We" felt "We" had to at the time! As did TUL, and AFW! Doesn't mean "I" agree with it! But there "It" is! 😉

Sure, I'll get over the fact that you guys voted away our ability to support our families when you guys get over the fact that we did not willingly step aside and let you guys take our jobs.

The fact is we had enough "NO" votes from the line and AFW to make up for Tulsa, however MCI killed us.

You feel that we screwed you guys and we feel that you guys screwed us.


Now , how about enough of the "Red headed step child" crap and lets work on getting rid of the TWU?

 

[AMFAMAN]

The fact is we had enough "NO" votes from the line and AFW to make up for Tulsa, however MCI killed us.

That would be the same results with the card drives. Enough from the system and AFW to make up for Tulsa, but even with Tulsa closing in on 50% last go round, MCI at 20% hurt the most. Sure the BS eligibility list gave us the final screwing but if MCI matches Tulsa percentage wise, the twu is gone.

 

[mike757]

<_< ----- well, if I'm going to get in trouble, I'm going to get in trouble! Word on the floor is aa has formally signed with ALCOA for 757 Cargo convertions. Tooling has started to show up. But no aircraft yet! A second Saab line will be starting this week. Two people will be recalled from the street, and two will be brought back from cleaners. Oh yes! And there still is talk about the cabin Mod. on the 767s! (Not a done deal!)Now! Why the great interest in MCI all of a sudden? 😉

Hi All,

I heard the Air canada 767's are not comming back to MCI cuz AIr Canada lost delts maintenance contract...

 

[AMFAMAN]

Hi All,

I heard the Air canada 767's are not comming back to MCI cuz AIr Canada lost delts maintenance contract...

Who got Delta's contract?

 

[MCI transplant]

Who got Delta's contract?

<_< -----Good question! Word on the floor is Delta is going to do their own work "in house". But if Air Canada maintained Delta's Aircraft like their own, I can see why Delta pulled the plug on them! As for loose of work here, we're talking three Heavy "C" checks, that were remaining on this contract!