Corporate Security Raids LGA Locker Room

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

I can't believe the number of people on this thread who advocate sleeping on the job. Its pathetic! If you are able to get your work done and still have enough time left over to sleep on the clock, then perhaps AA needs to look and dropping some of these people either to part time, or altogether.

If I ever intentionally slept on the job I would expect to have my ass kicked onto the unemployment line. There is absolutely no way to condone sleeping on the clock, it is pure theft from the employer, union or otherwise. If a union can have an employee reinstated who was terminated for sleeping on the job then it is no wonder AA fights these unions over their contract demands. I would hate like hell to have to support AA on something but sleeping on the job? Yep, your fanny deserves to be marched out whether it has been overlooked in the past or not, it is still wrong.

If you're done with your work, tell the boss to either find something for you to do or save the company some money and send you home.

I haven't been this pissed off in some time after reading this thread!

You're obviously someone who has never had to work graveyard shift particularly in the area of aircraft maintenance and doesn't have a clue. If you don't know what you're talking about then SHUT UP! That includes you too swloser.

 

[Skymess]

I can't believe the number of people on this thread who advocate sleeping on the job. Its pathetic! If you are able to get your work done and still have enough time left over to sleep on the clock, then perhaps AA needs to look and dropping some of these people either to part time, or altogether.

I don't think anyone is advocating sleeping on the job so much as saying they don't see a problem with a catnap if their work is finished. Maintenance work is like the airline industry itself whereas sometimes nothing is broken and sometimes everything is broken. If they lightened the shift to a few guys than who would fix things if more planes broke down?

If I ever intentionally slept on the job I would expect to have my ass kicked onto the unemployment line. There is absolutely no way to condone sleeping on the clock, it is pure theft from the employer, union or otherwise. If a union can have an employee reinstated who was terminated for sleeping on the job then it is no wonder AA fights these unions over their contract demands. I would hate like hell to have to support AA on something but sleeping on the job? Yep, your fanny deserves to be marched out whether it has been overlooked in the past or not, it is still wrong.

Things happen. Sometimes the human factor kicks in and you just can't push yourself anymore. If there's nothing going on and you are taking a little nap while you're waiting for the next plane to come in or something to break; I don't have a problem with it. It's not like they're in the middle of the terminal by the CNN TV's with a newspaper over their head.

If you're done with your work, tell the boss to either find something for you to do or save the company some money and send you home.

What would you have the maintenance guys do if there is no work? You want them to clean the bathrooms, vacuum? What? They go home and more planes need to be fixed. Should they then come back?

 

[WingNaPrayer]

What would you have the maintenance guys do if there is no work? You want them to clean the bathrooms, vacuum? What? They go home and more planes need to be fixed. Should they then come back?

It appears there will be plenty to do to keep them busy now that they are 8 short in the head count!

Then, the princess gagsondik opened the gaping yap and out puked. . . . .

You're obviously someone who has never had to work graveyard shift particularly in the area of aircraft maintenance and doesn't have a clue. If you don't know what you're talking about then SHUT UP!

I can't figure it out - are you advocating sleeping on the job or are you saying it is acceptable for aircraft maintenance workers and no other?

As far as third shift - been there done that and never once did I choose to snooze on the company nickel, and neither should 'aircraft maintenance workers'

No, I've never worked aircraft maintenance, but I'm certain there is nothing about it that condones sleeping while on the employer's clock. If it was acceptable, it would be in the friggin' contract but guess what . . . it isn't!

If aircraft maintenance is so tiring that you have to have naps between planes - find a new job or see a doctor about that narcolepsy problem at once!

Sleeping on the job is stealing from your employer, period. There is nothing to 'shut up' about. I don't approve of it and never will and there is nothing you can say to convince me that in this instance, it's right.

 

[gso2pit]

You're obviously someone who has never had to work graveyard shift particularly in the area of aircraft maintenance and doesn't have a clue. If you don't know what you're talking about then SHUT UP! That includes you too swloser.

If you were my employee, I would fire you in a second for that attitude. I have not worked in maintenance, but I have worked in other areas of the airline on a graveyard shift. Sleeping on the job is wrong, I don't care who you are...it's irresponsible, it's theft from AA, and it reflects poorly on the department as a whole. If you are so tired at work, maybe you need to cut back on your hours...sleeping on clock tells me that you may not be doing your work to the best of your ability, or to SOP.


Grow up.

 

[eolesen]

Just because the planned workload is done doesn't mean squat. Call MOC and I'm sure they'll find something else that can be done (after they pick themselves off the floor, that is...).

Protecting mediocracy and slackers to the Nth degree is what gives unions a bad name.

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

Oh please tell us Wing and Gso just what jobs did you do on midnights? 🙄 Pushing a pencil is a whole lot different than changing an engine. Why don't you get your A&P license and come on down and join us here on graveyard shift? I've got some nice hydraulic service cards that you can accomplish. Oh don't worry about that nasty Skydrol it will only burn for a little while. Eolesen,I've worked in both Union and Non-union places they both have their "problem employees" who drag everyone else down. Take your pick "slugs" or "suckasses" they are one and the same. We have managers here at AA that should have been fired years ago, but guess what? They're still here!

 

[Man of the People]

I can't believe the number of people on this thread who advocate sleeping on the job. Its pathetic! If you are able to get your work done and still have enough time left over to sleep on the clock, then perhaps AA needs to look and dropping some of these people either to part time, or altogether.

If I ever intentionally slept on the job I would expect to have my ass kicked onto the unemployment line. There is absolutely no way to condone sleeping on the clock, it is pure theft from the employer, union or otherwise. If a union can have an employee reinstated who was terminated for sleeping on the job then it is no wonder AA fights these unions over their contract demands. I would hate like hell to have to support AA on something but sleeping on the job? Yep, your fanny deserves to be marched out whether it has been overlooked in the past or not, it is still wrong.

If you're done with your work, tell the boss to either find something for you to do or save the company some money and send you home.

I haven't been this pissed off in some time after reading this thread!

You are way off base here. It is pretty apparent there are different levels of AMTs out there. If one is more proficient and can get the job done faster than another, why should he be punished. Many moons ago, AA loved it when guys knocked out work. They would look good for the conference call and in return, mechanics were left alone. If something came up, you always knew where to find the guys. On the plane in first class. AA says they want the productivity of 1995. Well, during that period, a lot of sweetheart deals were cut. 4 NBO (no badge out) was a common practice. Let's try keeping it in perspective. Yes, you can have this same mechanic milk a job all night, then turn over work cards to day shift, but that will only piss off days and eventuate in revenue planes not making schedule. That is a losing proposition. In light of the pay cut employees took, there are not a lot of people willing to step up and work for free. Yes, there are still some mighty fine boot lickers out there who will do whatever it takes to keep the boss happy. It's too bad we have those, but that's life.

 

[WingNaPrayer]

Still, no one has shared any justification for sleeping on the clock.

Because there isn't any.

 

[Sick of Unions]

These big union babies will never grow up. Company might as well go bankrupt and bust the unions and lay thousands off. They'll have plenty of time to sleep then. If they want to take the company down then the company needs to downsize and lay the a**es off !

 

[Bob Owens]

I can't believe the number of people on this thread who advocate sleeping on the job. Its pathetic! If you are able to get your work done and still have enough time left over to sleep on the clock, then perhaps AA needs to look and dropping some of these people either to part time, or altogether.

If I ever intentionally slept on the job I would expect to have my ass kicked onto the unemployment line. There is absolutely no way to condone sleeping on the clock, it is pure theft from the employer, union or otherwise. If a union can have an employee reinstated who was terminated for sleeping on the job then it is no wonder AA fights these unions over their contract demands. I would hate like hell to have to support AA on something but sleeping on the job? Yep, your fanny deserves to be marched out whether it has been overlooked in the past or not, it is still wrong.

The point is it has, was and is condoned. Nobody is saying the guys have a right to sleep on the clock. Do you think it was a secret? Do you think local management didnt know about it? Do you think its isolated to LGA, AA or even the airline industry? Corporate security wasnt needed nor did they have to walk anybody out. Management could have simply said "Nobody up in the locker rooms, I will be checking". However management was probably concerned that the guys would start working like they just got a 25% paycut and they would rather try and spin it into a "Your own guys did this" BS line "so dont take it out on the company". For the company its a Win Win, they divide and conquer the workers and they get what they want without any repurcussions.

Night shift is an unnatural work enviornment for most human beings. It is unrealistic of management to expect the same performance out of night shift as they would for people working normal hours. Most night shifts are either shorter hours (work 6 paid for 8)or less days in a row worked (3-12hr shifts)in order to give people the ability to get proper rest. Many businesses also have a financial incentive for people to work nights such a a 10% differential. Added to that the fact that the company has slashed wages thus forcing many workers to work a second job when they should be resting and a zero tolerance for napping after the work is done is unrealistic. Why didnt they do this in 2003 in conjunction with the paycuts? The fact is that usually people working nighhts will work extra hard in order to complete their task so they can get a little shuteye, if they take away the ability to get a little shuteye the workers are better off working at a sustainable rate, and maybe getting a little OT, but then they will be accused of having a job action because the planes wont be "all in service" for the 5am conference.

Sleeping on the job is not a right but it is something that the company has chosen to turn a blind eye to in return for the fact that they demand a regular 40 hour week with a night shift differential that wouldnt even pay for lunch and they have their planes ready for the 5am conference. Its wrong for them to all of a sudden terminate people without taking other steps to make it clear that they no longer wish to allow what they have allowed for longer than anyone has been here, including Al Blackman.

If you're done with your work, tell the boss to either find something for you to do or save the company some money and send you home.

I tried that when I first got hired. They cant, they need you to either kickoff or deliver the aircraft in the morning. By letting them get a little downtime they have a much more alert and effective mechanic should anything turn to crap at the last minute.

 

[The Foreigner]

These big union babies will never grow up. Company might as well go bankrupt and bust the unions and lay thousands off. They'll have plenty of time to sleep then. If they want to take the company down then the company needs to downsize and lay the a**es off !

YOU are a "WANKER" as the Brits would say, If you have been around for even a little while you would know that Frank Lorenzo did just that to Continental in the 1980's F****d up the airline big time, only now over 20 years later are COA in a better position, Know why because they are UNION again! :angry:

Sleeping; job and away; work 2hrs over and get paid for 4 = on time aircraft,& rested, ready and happy work force {for that last minute call out}

Have any of you "crew" ever heard an AMT ever say "I'm out of hours" I don't think so, because we want these planes gone. When MX is doing nothing the airline is making money,& planes are flying; when they are on the ground and broke= lost revenue.

Line MX is like the Fire Dept,{no disrespect to FD} we are ready for the worst to happen, but hope that it will just be a regular day/night with the normal writeups, and work cards.

 

[eolesen]

If it is so unrealistic to expect night workers to be as productive as the day shift, then I guess you just made an argument to pay 'em less. Why pay a differential if you're just going to get less work out of these guys?....

The point is it has, was and is condoned

Hmm. Same thing could be said about the PUP plan which has been around for 15-20 years. It was, and has, been condoned. Guess you should just shut up about that now, as well, eh?

There's no justification for sleeping on the job, no matter how you want to spin it, Bob. I could care less if they're watching HBO, playing dominos or reading People magazine... If there's an injury, spill, or God forbid, a fire out on the floor, the guys "doing nothing" in the break room are going to be a lot more likely to be able to respond than the guys passed out in the locker room....

 

[Bob Owens]

If it is so unrealistic to expect night workers to be as productive as the day shift, then I guess you just made an argument to pay 'em less. Why pay a differential if you're just going to get less work out of these guys?....

Because work is done at night for the convience of the company. The majority of guys on nights would rather work days but are on nights because thats when the company wants them there. Any reasonable person would admit that night shift should command a premium but that obviously doesnt apply to you.

Hmm. Same thing could be said about the PUP plan which has been around for 15-20 years. It was, and has, been condoned. Guess you should just shut up about that now, as well, eh?

Well that makes no sense and has no relevance to the arguement. Sleeping was never an official part of the contract,however it has been condoned. The objection to PUP, which is an entitlement, part of the contract was that management claimed "Shared Sacrifice Shared Gain, they didnt share in the sacrifice.

There's no justification for sleeping on the job, no matter how you want to spin it, Bob.

If they want to stop sleeping, especially nesting, fine, but do it like management should do it. Like I said all they had to do was tell them to reoprt to the ready room when they are done, not have corporate secuity sneek in the middle of the night like a swat team and take people out of service.

 

[local 12 proud]

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[Barfbag]

I dont know Bob.
Its a little funny to me that all eight guys were original AA employees no TWA guys.

Most 911 hijackers were Saudis, and we're still buying oil from them. What does one have to do with the other?