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Court Allows Lessors To Reposess

I have always believed that resort to Sect. 1113 of the Bankruptcy Code was the legal equivalent of a Debtor seeking the permission of the Court to engage in Legal Russian Roulette. Given the findings of the 7th Circuit Court of Federal Appeals, I feel that such a premonition was well founded.

The 7th Circuit Court has answered the question in vacating the TRO preventing the lessors’ of some 14 aircraft from physically repossessing their property:

" The competitive solution is for both sides to have access to markets—
and that outcome is achieved by allowing repossession. The
lessors will get the current market price for airframes of the type
and age involved. United, too, will enjoy a competitive price: it can
buy or rent equivalent planes on going terms. If, as United and the
Committee of Unsecured Creditors contend, the spot-market price
is below not only the original rental terms but also the modified
terms set when United filed for bankruptcy in 2002, then United
will be better off as a result. Its problem arises if, as the lessors are
betting, the price of used airplanes is higher than what United is
now paying for these 14 aircraft. But if, as United contends, the
highest and best use of these planes is with United, and the current
competitive price is less than what United is paying in bankruptcy,
then the threat to repossess is not credible, and United will keep the
planes without judicial intervention (though tough bargaining may
lie ahead to set the extent of the haircut from the old rental price)."

How can the protection of machinery be elevated above the protection of Human Labor?

If the highest best use of the labor previously supplied by a Union is to be recognized through their application elsewhere, then United would have been as wrong as the Lessors when their collateral was repossessed.

It is inconsistent that any Court would allow the repossession of the actual mechanism by which airlines perform the services they sell while enslaving the persons performing that labor. To do so would stand the Legislative intent of the RLA status quo provision on its' head while rendering the intent of the LMRDAs’ impotent.

IMHO, the closed shop provision of the RLA and the entire LMRDA would be sacrificed if a contract abrogation under 1113 consequently held that the status quo provision was only applicable to Union Labor and the limitation of the ability to avail themselves of “self-helpâ€￾ in the presence of a unilateral change in the wages, hours and working conditions covered by Union Contract by an Employer.
 
uafa21 said:
Does anyone know what the 14 aircraft are?
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According to an article in the WSJ today, eight 3-class 763s and six older 737s.
 
Boomer said:
I have always believed that resort to Sect. 1113 of the Bankruptcy Code was the legal equivalent of a Debtor seeking the permission of the Court to engage in Legal Russian Roulette. Given the findings of the 7th Circuit Court of Federal Appeals, I feel that such a premonition was well founded.

The 7th Circuit Court has answered the question in vacating the TRO preventing the lessors’ of some 14 aircraft from physically repossessing their property:

" The competitive solution is for both sides to have access to markets—
and that outcome is achieved by allowing repossession. The
lessors will get the current market price for airframes of the type
and age involved. United, too, will enjoy a competitive price: it can
buy or rent equivalent planes on going terms. If, as United and the
Committee of Unsecured Creditors contend, the spot-market price
is below not only the original rental terms but also the modified
terms set when United filed for bankruptcy in 2002, then United
will be better off as a result. Its problem arises if, as the lessors are
betting, the price of used airplanes is higher than what United is
now paying for these 14 aircraft. But if, as United contends, the
highest and best use of these planes is with United, and the current
competitive price is less than what United is paying in bankruptcy,
then the threat to repossess is not credible, and United will keep the
planes without judicial intervention (though tough bargaining may
lie ahead to set the extent of the haircut from the old rental price)."

How can the protection of machinery be elevated above the protection of Human Labor?

If the highest best use of the labor previously supplied by a Union is to be recognized through their application elsewhere, then United would have been as wrong as the Lessors when their collateral was repossessed.

It is inconsistent that any Court would allow the repossession of the actual mechanism by which airlines perform the services they sell while enslaving the persons performing that labor. To do so would stand the Legislative intent of the RLA status quo provision on its' head while rendering the intent of the LMRDAs’ impotent.

IMHO, the closed shop provision of the RLA and the entire LMRDA would be sacrificed if a contract abrogation under 1113 consequently held that the status quo provision was only applicable to Union Labor and the limitation of the ability to avail themselves of “self-helpâ€￾ in the presence of a unilateral change in the wages, hours and working conditions covered by Union Contract by an Employer.
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I agree. Management unilaterally (through a judge) changing the labor contracts would be like management dictating to the suppliers of jet fuel, catering, etc. how much they will pay for these products and services. The vendors will simply stop providing their products and services to the company if the company is not willing to pay the prices set by the vendors.
 
FWAAA said:
According to an article in the WSJ today, eight 3-class 763s and six older 737s.
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If these eight 763's go, there's a huge hole in UA's Europe and South America network....
 
Former ModerAAtor said:
If these eight 763's go, there's a huge hole in UA's Europe and South America network....
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And because of that, I assume that UAL is currently scrambling to pay the arrearage so it can avoid the repo man. It can hardly afford to lose these aircraft. Of course, it can hardly afford to pay for them, as well. 😀
 
Bear96 said:
Anyone know if they are the two- or three-class 767s?
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Yesterday's WSJ said they were 3-class 763s.
 
If you remember, the leasors were trying to pull the jets right before the holidays. The plan was basically part of a "CHAOS" action by the a group of leasors who "unionized" to minimize the losses from new contracts. I think this played out well for both parties to some extent. UAL didn't lose the lift at the holidays and now banks wanting to lease jets can do so with some level of comfort. Don't count on the jets going away, and if they do, you won't see much of an impact.
 
Busdrvr said:
Don't count on the jets going away, and if they do, you won't see much of an impact.
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Wrong, bus boy.... If there wasn't an impact, UAL would have a) come to terms with the lessors months ago, or b) not bothered with coming up with the frivolous claim of antitrust against the lessors. Read the decision -- Judge Wedoff was more or less spanked for even having issued the TRO in the first place.

If these are the PW4060 equipped -300ER's, UAL is going to feel the impact. There were only 23 of these in the 300ER fleet, and losing up to a third of them has serious implications for long-haul international. Summer traffic starts this weekend.

UAL doesn't have the money (or the mechanics?) to be reconfiguring two class aircraft into three class aircraft, not to mention the fact that the PW4052 equipped two class 763's (now flying domestic routes and to/from Hawaii) may even be properly equipped to fly Europe due to (RVSM upgrades) and have a lower MGTOW.
 
Don't count on it. In the original decision it was 14 aircraft. Why do you think there are now only 8? United rejected the other leases. They will reject these too.
 
Fly said:
Don't count on it. In the original decision it was 14 aircraft. Why do you think there are now only 8? United rejected the other leases. They will reject these too.
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The 6 rejected aircraft are old 737s, Fly.

The eight others are 767-300s that UAL cares about, that's why.

You really are brilliant, aren't you? 😛
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but alot hinges on what is the market rate for these aircraft and can the current owners get a higher price for the aircraft on the open market? The owners may not be able to get a better price.
 
novaqt said:
Correct me if I am wrong, but alot hinges on what is the market rate for these aircraft and can the current owners get a higher price for the aircraft on the open market? The owners may not be able to get a better price.
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UAL already owes lots of back rent, which it must pay now or face the repo man. In November, 2004, when the banks demanded that UAL pay or return the airplanes, it had already determined that the rent was less than FMV.

The only issue is that you have to pay the agreed-upon payments for collateral you intend to retain, and UAL has failed to do so.
 

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