Crandall says AA needs to clean Delta's clock
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robbedagain
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Wt I have not apoligized on this portion. U on the other hand throw delta into every thread u think delta is the one and only good airline u knw what the hell w delta they can close any city layoff anyone they want without notice. They pay their people to keep unions off the property. In 1 yr time we will wait n see but you seem to be sooooo gungho about dl.... even my dad who is retired stat mgr does not spit off as much pro delta as you in fact a lot of dl folks dont. Theres always the good the bad and the ugly with dl as it is with all of other airlines just as it is w the unions and everywhere id be willing to bet dl will not get any dca slots
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Actually, Crandall has no financial interests in AAL or in AMR prior to the filing. He reportedly divested of all of his stock after retiring in 1998.
But please, do go ahead and compare yourself to what is one of the three most respected voices in the airline industry, along with Gordon and Herb.
But please, do go ahead and compare yourself to what is one of the three most respected voices in the airline industry, along with Gordon and Herb.
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he's gone, E. and are you sure he receives no retirement benefits of any kind from AA? Even if the answer is no, no, and no, he is NOT a non-biased bystander as much as you or anyone else want to believe otherwise.
He hasn't said a negative word about AA mgmt. despite the fact that they have so mismanaged one of America's once premium brands....
He thinks it's all great that AA had to sell its soul in order to get this merger thru - which in reality is the fastest way the creditors could get paid - and nothing more.
By going with the sexy "a merger will fix it all" mindset, the creditors cash out quickly while the company will be saddled with the reality that AA is forced to give away many of its key assets in order to get a merger than just months ago, many here were arguing wasn't even necessary - including you.
Now we are supposed to believe that because Bob says it is a great idea that you were wrong all along?
As excited as you are about the merger, NO ONE should have any delusions that it is anything other than a means for the creditors to get their payout as quickly as possible, for the executives to get the "credit" for creating the world's largest airline, and the employees to be given the bill in the form of broken pay raise promises and guaranteed pay cuts to finance a merger that made no financial sense for AA - and you were absolutely one of the ones who said so.
What this thread highlights once again is yet another attempt to try to argue how AA is going to beat DL and yet the facts are overwhelmingly the other way around.
He hasn't said a negative word about AA mgmt. despite the fact that they have so mismanaged one of America's once premium brands....
He thinks it's all great that AA had to sell its soul in order to get this merger thru - which in reality is the fastest way the creditors could get paid - and nothing more.
By going with the sexy "a merger will fix it all" mindset, the creditors cash out quickly while the company will be saddled with the reality that AA is forced to give away many of its key assets in order to get a merger than just months ago, many here were arguing wasn't even necessary - including you.
Now we are supposed to believe that because Bob says it is a great idea that you were wrong all along?
As excited as you are about the merger, NO ONE should have any delusions that it is anything other than a means for the creditors to get their payout as quickly as possible, for the executives to get the "credit" for creating the world's largest airline, and the employees to be given the bill in the form of broken pay raise promises and guaranteed pay cuts to finance a merger that made no financial sense for AA - and you were absolutely one of the ones who said so.
What this thread highlights once again is yet another attempt to try to argue how AA is going to beat DL and yet the facts are overwhelmingly the other way around.
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I didn't say that CRANDALL said that AA would BEAT DL. That is what posters here turned it into ....
Crandall highlighted the intense competition that exists between AA and DL but he also recognizes the chances of stopping DL are mighty slim.... if he thought otherwise, he would have said so.
Also doesn't change that WN has a Texas-sized bullseye on AA's chest for 2014.
DL will be nibbling around the edges in comparison.
Crandall highlighted the intense competition that exists between AA and DL but he also recognizes the chances of stopping DL are mighty slim.... if he thought otherwise, he would have said so.
Also doesn't change that WN has a Texas-sized bullseye on AA's chest for 2014.
DL will be nibbling around the edges in comparison.
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perhaps you could tell us where WN has successfully nibbled at DL? In ATL perhaps where they operate about 75 flights/day LESS than they did when they acquired FL? In SLC where WN is no bigger than they were years ago?
WN has no desire to coexist peacefully with anyone and DL feels the same way about WN.... so WN has done everything possible to focus its attention to AA and UA markets. This year it is an AA bingefest for WN.
WN has no desire to coexist peacefully with anyone and DL feels the same way about WN.... so WN has done everything possible to focus its attention to AA and UA markets. This year it is an AA bingefest for WN.
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AdAstraPerAspera
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WorldTraveler said:
How do you know how he feels about how AA has been managed in his absence? Have you asked him?
Is it possible he has kept any critical opinions to himself because he is simply a classy guy who knows when to keep his mouth shut because he knows he is not in power anymore anyway?
Why do you presume to know how he feels one way or the other?
Did AA have a problems with competing with DL or with competing with Richard Anderson's crew? There seemed to be a lot of inter-airline competition between AA and NW for staff and markets in the past..
AA isn't going to clean anyone's clock, except maybe the passengers and their own employees.
Lowest pay in the industry and a demoralized workforce that sees no future is not the formula for a competitive edge. Sure they will make a lot of money, the whole industry will, but AA will not be the preferred carrier even with new planes. You can get away with super low wages, crappy benefits and hardly any vacation for a few years when you have a bunch of kids that don't know any better and actually believe the Bull-shyte about how one day all their sacrifices will pay off, but when the average age is over 50 and the only reason they stay is because they feel they are too old to go anywhere else you aren't going to get much "buy in" from the troops who have zero respect for the greedy bastards who not only stole their pensions and any hopes of a decent career, but they are older than them and have heard all the same stories many times before. We don't have enough time to see the sacrifices pay off, then again with no pension maybe we will be around longer than expected.
Lowest pay in the industry and a demoralized workforce that sees no future is not the formula for a competitive edge. Sure they will make a lot of money, the whole industry will, but AA will not be the preferred carrier even with new planes. You can get away with super low wages, crappy benefits and hardly any vacation for a few years when you have a bunch of kids that don't know any better and actually believe the Bull-shyte about how one day all their sacrifices will pay off, but when the average age is over 50 and the only reason they stay is because they feel they are too old to go anywhere else you aren't going to get much "buy in" from the troops who have zero respect for the greedy bastards who not only stole their pensions and any hopes of a decent career, but they are older than them and have heard all the same stories many times before. We don't have enough time to see the sacrifices pay off, then again with no pension maybe we will be around longer than expected.
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