CVG RIF?

[WorldTraveler]

DL has almost never allowed any displaced employee to bump another employee from another city.

Is there any evidence that DL is NOT able to accommodate all of the 32 displaced mechanics elsewhere on the system? If they are able to accommodate people elsewhere, then there is no loss of position or pay.

If, however, being displaced means that you might not be able to hold your 2nd choice city, then you are apparently in the wrong industry. Airline employees must accept moving around as part of being in the industry. If you aren't certain that your city has a future and you want to have control over where you live, that's why airlines have internal job bid processes to allow you to voluntarily move where you want to. Being a part of the airline industry means that you won't necessarily get to work where you want for portions - perhaps long portions - of your career.

Again, though, there is no evidence that these people aren't protected someplace on the DL system.

 

[tech2101]

DL has almost never allowed any displaced employee to bump another employee from another city.

Is there any evidence that DL is NOT able to accommodate all of the 32 displaced mechanics elsewhere on the system? If they are able to accommodate people elsewhere, then there is no loss of position or pay.

If, however, being displaced means that you might not be able to hold your 2nd choice city, then you are apparently in the wrong industry. Airline employees must accept moving around as part of being in the industry. If you aren't certain that your city has a future and you want to have control over where you live, that's why airlines have internal job bid processes to allow you to voluntarily move where you want to. Being a part of the airline industry means that you won't necessarily get to work where you want for portions - perhaps long portions - of your career.

Again, though, there is no evidence that these people aren't protected someplace on the DL system.

One thing I do know.

They are not covered in any CBA. The only guaranteed protection they have is unemployment insurance.

BTW a CBA is a collective bargaining agreement for those in the dark.

 

[DalMD88]

DL has almost never allowed any displaced employee to bump another employee from another city.

Is there any evidence that DL is NOT able to accommodate all of the 32 displaced mechanics elsewhere on the system? If they are able to accommodate people elsewhere, then there is no loss of position or pay.

If, however, being displaced means that you might not be able to hold your 2nd choice city, then you are apparently in the wrong industry. Airline employees must accept moving around as part of being in the industry. If you aren't certain that your city has a future and you want to have control over where you live, that's why airlines have internal job bid processes to allow you to voluntarily move where you want to. Being a part of the airline industry means that you won't necessarily get to work where you want for portions - perhaps long portions - of your career.

Again, though, there is no evidence that these people aren't protected someplace on the DL system.

There is no way to tell if there are open spots in the system. The powers can't seem to let us workers see the staffing levels for stations. We can't see the recall lists for the stations either. I know my station, BOS, has at least two AMT openings. Since June we had one let go and another made lead. Weather or not these will show as open who knows. The process is way too hush- hush.

As a side note, I really wonder how many will elect to transfer. Even the lowest guys in CVG are pretty senior. I bet half tell DL to stick it.

 

[WoRkInG]

This is truly sad 🙁 For the most part when I speak about "protection" job security and contracts. This is what I am getting at when I speak my peace about my position on CBA's. This is where the bad blood for Delta comes from, but should be directed to those who are responsible.

 

[WoRkInG]

Yeah, thats exactly what I said. 🙄

Your time will come, AGAIN 🙄

 

[WorldTraveler]

As a side note, I really wonder how many will elect to transfer. Even the lowest guys in CVG are pretty senior. I bet half tell DL to stick it.

You mean they will be given the opportunity to retire?

Can anyone tell me how many airline workers have been laid off since 2001 who were covered by a CBA?... and then tell me how many airline workers have been laid off in the same period who were NOT covered by a CBA?

 

[DAL Mech]

Your time will come, AGAIN 🙄

You are playing the same song dude.

 

[DalMD88]

You mean they will be given the opportunity to retire?

Can anyone tell me how many airline workers have been laid off since 2001 who were covered by a CBA?... and then tell me how many airline workers have been laid off in the same period who were NOT covered by a CBA?

I doubt retirement. I think the bottom of CVG is guys with about 20 years. Most of that era are below even early retirement age. If they elect not to move to one of the mystery open slots they will hit the street on furlough.

I can only take a stab at the furlough question. For DL in 2001 we had about 7500 mechanics in the US. Before the merger I think we were we were right around 4000. Some were retirements but most came off the bottom. In 2001 I was within sight of holding dayshift in the ATL hangar. I was about 150 slots away. Not real close mind you, but the last guy only had four months time on me. Four years later I missed keeping a AMT slot in all of ATL by about 100 slots. That is a lot of jobs gone. Most of that work is now done in another country. That equates to about $200M a year in US wages going overseas. I know all the arguments for outsource. I think our country would be better off if these jobs and this income stayed here.

 

[Delta Technician]

One thing I do know.

They are not covered in any CBA. The only guaranteed protection they have is unemployment insurance.

BTW a CBA is a collective bargaining agreement for those in the dark.

Could you please post in this forum where your CBA says you will have a job no matter what? There is no such thing job security.

 

[DalMD88]

Could you please post in this forum where your CBA says you will have a job no matter what? There is no such thing job security.

The CBA doesn't give you job security. It prevents the ever changing RIF policy we have been living with. It ensures all transfers are done out in the open. It allows the Techs to have a say in how it all works. The CBA gives you a contract to protect your income. You have a contract for many expenses; mortgage, car loan, school loan, credit cards. Your "contract" with DL is only good until they change it. If you don't like it you can strike, by yourself.

 

[700UW]

Actually a CBA does give you job security, it spells out clearly in its Scope language what is union covered work and what can be outsourced. Back in the mid-90s at US we had plans parked outside the hangar waiting to be overhauled as we did not have the hangar space and US was begging us to outsource them, we said nope, so dont tell me a CBA doesnt offer job security when it most certainly does.

Do you have any documents at DL that states the same?

At most carriers with a union seniority means if I am reduced I can go anywhere I want in the system and bump someone out, cant do that at DL can you?

And you dont have a "contract" at DL you are an employee at will and DL can change anything they want at anytime, cant say the same at a carrier that is unionized and has a CBA, now can you?

 

[tech2101]

Could you please post in this forum where your CBA says you will have a job no matter what? There is no such thing job security.

If you had the contract that Continental, United, US Air, NWA (had), those guys in CVG would have the option of choosing anywhere in the Delta system their seniority would take them, same for the person they bumped out.

You have stated that they do not have that option now.

 

[RobertD]

If you had the contract that Continental, United, US Air, NWA (had), those guys in CVG would have the option of choosing anywhere in the Delta system their seniority would take them, same for the person they bumped out.

You have stated that they do not have that option now.

tech2101, you can argue with this dude and make as much sense as you want. He just doesn't care to think outside of the Delta family box.

Now a days mechanics aren't worth a spit any way. They can be replaced and out sourced in a heart beat. So who really cares. 😉

The Delta mechanic can stay non union for all I care and for all they care, so why even bring it up?

When the Ese's, f/a's and pilots all have cba's, then you can come back and ask him (them) how that's working out for him (them).

just sayin'

 

[tech2101]

tech2101, you can argue with this dude and make as much sense as you want. He just doesn't care to think outside of the Delta family box.

Now a days mechanics aren't worth a spit any way. They can be replaced and out sourced in a heart beat. So who really cares. 😉

The Delta mechanic can stay non union for all I care and for all they care, so why even bring it up?

When the Ese's, f/a's and pilots all have cba's, then you can come back and ask him (them) how that's working out for him (them).

just sayin'

You are most likely correct. But when he says there is no job security, that is a lie.

I was laid off several times and was able to exercise my seniority to a different location because of my union negotiated agreement. Not because NWA wanted me to go where I chose. I know for a fact that many layoffs were averted because of that clause. A company has to think twice before they lay off when they have to honor seniority and bumping rights because of the loss of productivity when it occurs. Not to mention the lowering of morale when one has to uproot a family or commute.

 

[Kev3188]

You mean they will be given the opportunity to retire?

Can anyone tell me how many airline workers have been laid off since 2001 who were covered by a CBA?... and then tell me how many airline workers have been laid off in the same period who were NOT covered by a CBA?

Too many... 🙁

I doubt retirement. I think the bottom of CVG is guys with about 20 years.

Wow! Really? Is CVG the most senior of the hubs, or is SLC sort of the same?

I know all the arguments for outsource. I think our country would be better off if these jobs and this income stayed here.

Agreed 100%

The CBA doesn't give you job security. It prevents the ever changing RIF policy we have been living with. It ensures all transfers are done out in the open. It allows the Techs to have a say in how it all works. The CBA gives you a contract to protect your income. You have a contract for many expenses; mortgage, car loan, school loan, credit cards. Your "contract" with DL is only good until they change it. If you don't like it you can strike, by yourself.

I think this shroud of mystery is what most at NW have a problem with. No one at DL can see seniority lists, open positions, etc. These are amazingly simple lists to create and post online. DL claims transparency as one of it's hallmarks, yet reality is often something totally different.

You are most likely correct. But when he says there is no job security, that is a lie.

I was laid off several times and was able to exercise my seniority to a different location because of my union negotiated agreement. Not because NWA wanted me to go where I chose. I know for a fact that many layoffs were averted because of that clause. A company has to think twice before they lay off when they have to honor seniority and bumping rights because of the loss of productivity when it occurs. Not to mention the lowering of morale when one has to uproot a family or commute.

I've been in the same boat. If it happens again, I'm probably not going anywhere, but it's nice to know it' an option.