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DAL and NWA Talking

Like I said on the LCC sight, I am sure the NWA folks will be so much more understanding and co-operative with you non-union types at DAL. Good luck!
 
Like I said on the LCC sight, I am sure the NWA folks will be so much more understanding and co-operative with you non-union types at DAL. Good luck!


What Happened To DAL's Stand Alone Plan? Thought It Was THE BEST Way For Delta To Go. I Guess Not!! Mgt WILL Lie About Anything!! :down:
 
Link:
http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/070110/northwest_delta.html?.v=1

Thoughts any one?

Alice Cramden

(Ralph Cramden is in the witness protection program)

I have a feeling that DL and NWA have been talking since well before both entered BK on the same day in the same court. It would be easy to see the two companies getting financing to blow the US offer out of the water. The country is awash in cash at the moment. It's not hard for anyone to see this would create a much better deal for investors. The creditors would be offered cash and new DL/NWA stock. There would be regulatory problems but probably many fewer than with DL/US.

While I think both companies will do very well separately, the combination would be a powerhouse. I wouldn't be surprised if Parker's offer was a preemptive strike at a potential NWA/DL combo.
 
It's not hard for anyone to see this would create a much better deal for investors. The creditors would be offered cash and new DL/NWA stock. There would be regulatory problems but probably many fewer than with DL/US.

Are you presuming that NWA would have enough assets to secure enough financing to offer the creditors cash? Presumably, DL does not have enough assets... they have filed a plan fo DL standalone and was not able to offer cash to any unsecured creditors. To my knowledge, NWA has not released its proposed treatment for unsecured creditors. However, I have a feeling that NWA does not have enough change under the couch cushions to offer a large sum of cash to unsecured creditors.
 
What Happened To DAL's Stand Alone Plan? Thought It Was THE BEST Way For Delta To Go. I Guess Not!! Mgt WILL Lie About Anything!! :down:

I think it is still the best way to go. Unfortunately, since Doug Parker won't give up, DL management has had to look at alternatives. I've always said our networks would mesh better. Of course, I don't think we've heard the last of this yet. Much more to come.
 
Are you presuming that NWA would have enough assets to secure enough financing to offer the creditors cash? Presumably, DL does not have enough assets... they have filed a plan fo DL standalone and was not able to offer cash to any unsecured creditors.

I wouldn't say DL wasn't able to offer cash to the creditors. I think they did not feel like they had to. Since the US plan would not payout until regulatory approval (1-1.5 years most likely) and the DL plan would payout (stock) in the spring, I think DL thought they had the stronger plan. It seems the creditors thought so as well.

On the financing point, I don't believe NW/DL would have any problem attracting financing for a deal. US didn't get financing for a DL takeover based on their own assets. It was DL's assets that enabled US to get financing for a deal. Since a friendly merger is much easier to execute than a hostile takeover, I think creditors will jump at the possibility. NW and DL would be a powerhouse company and money will come out of the woodwork to finance the deal.
 
I wouldn't say DL wasn't able to offer cash to the creditors. I think they did not feel like they had to. Since the US plan would not payout until regulatory approval (1-1.5 years most likely) and the DL plan would payout (stock) in the spring, I think DL thought they had the stronger plan. It seems the creditors thought so as well.

On the financing point, I don't believe NW/DL would have any problem attracting financing for a deal. US didn't get financing for a DL takeover based on their own assets. It was DL's assets that enabled US to get financing for a deal. Since a friendly merger is much easier to execute than a hostile takeover, I think creditors will jump at the possibility. NW and DL would be a powerhouse company and money will come out of the woodwork to finance the deal.

Yes, I agree that most of US's financing package is based upon the assets of DL. But I don't think all of it is based on those assets, as many of DL's assets are likely tied up in secured loans that will survive bankruptcy (Same goes for US). I would imagine that it is a combination of both airlines... which would eventually be refinanced anyways.

Also, US has months of post-bankruptcy history that allows banks to more accurately determine the risk. With DL/NW... the risk, although still decipherable, would likely not be as precise.

Lastly, if there is a hostile competing bid that may halt your chances of surviving bankruptcy as a standalone, a company would definitely offer cash to please the creditors. Of course, this is not true if the debtor wants to be purchased; but the media has made clear that DL does not prefer US. I have seen in your other posts where you thought NW and DL have been planning a merge post-bankruptcy ever since the twin filings. I have never thought about it... but it is odd that both airlines filed on the same day.

Perhaps, however, DL/NWA would be able to obtain financing based simply upon the perceived synergies in the deal (Wall Street finances this all the time). I would imagine that terms of such financing would not be very favorable though and, thus, would not likely woo the creditors more than a US/DL deal.

Time will tell. The storyline has definitely become more tangled.
 
NWA/DL-Unstoppable combination

Oh the possibilities, a global powerhouse indeed. Supremely strong throughout the world, Asia, Europe, South America, entire U.S., etc.... :up:

DL/US Airways- :down: US Airways brings absolutely nothing to the table we don't already have, except more debt. 😱

I think Doogie is shakin' in his boots right about now. Think about, nobody wants anything to do with US Airways, they bring nothing to the dance that the other Legacy carriers don't already have themselves. How ironic would it be for Doogie, he thought he would be the one to start industry consolidation, only to find out he''s the one who's been left out in the cold. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
How ironic would it be for Doogie, he thought he would be the one to start industry consolidation, only to find out he''s the one who's been left out in the cold. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Delta mgt. can talk to anyone, but the creditors will still drive to find the best deal for them. Personally I feel that DL employees do not want anything to do with LCC, and that's truly sad in the wake of Dl wanting U to go away so they could absorb the east. Didn't happen, so the spectre of U (LCC) calling the shots is understandably nerve wracking for DL employees.

NW would be a handful to swallow for investors.

Who would be the acquirer?

Cash?

Stock?

Antitrust?

Seniority?

Which name survives?

All those questions have been answered by LCC.
 
Delta mgt. can talk to anyone, but the creditors will still drive to find the best deal for them. Personally I feel that DL employees do not want anything to do with LCC, and that's truly sad in the wake of Dl wanting U to go away so they could absorb the east. Didn't happen, so the spectre of U (LCC) calling the shots is understandably nerve wracking for DL employees.

NW would be a handful to swallow for investors.

Who would be the acquirer?

Cash?

Stock?

Antitrust?

Seniority?

Which name survives?

All those questions have been answered by LCC.

The only thing that hasn't been answered is how is this abortion-of-a-merger is gonna make any money. The "synergies" Doogie speaks of is thru lease rejections and facilities consolidation. What happens when he's rejected all the leases and consolidated dual facilities?
 
Perhaps, however, DL/NWA would be able to obtain financing based simply upon the perceived synergies in the deal (Wall Street finances this all the time). I would imagine that terms of such financing would not be very favorable though and, thus, would not likely woo the creditors more than a US/DL deal.

Wouldn't you agree that those proposed "synergies" are a large reason that US was able to secure the financing it did? Why then, wouldn't it be safe to assume that lending institutions might find the proposed DL/NW synergies even more appealing, especially if it became apparent that the proposed merge would not meet the same hostility as the US proposal?
A proposed DL/NW merge might be more readily accepted by DALPA, which as you know, is a member of the unsecured creditors committee. In addition, I would think that there would be more leverage if Delta's current management team supported the plan.
On a side note Gilding, you come across as being pro DL/US. If so, what is your reasoning? Do you have a vested interest in the merge? Just curious.
 
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