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DAL and NWA Talking

Creditors can't overrule the DOJ which will undoubtedly tie DL/US up for years.... and if the creditors force DL to go with US, the rest of the industry will consolidate. If the creditors calculate wrong, then they have left DL as the smallest of the network airlines - other than US which will probably end up in BK again anyway (notice that US' load factor is the lowest in the industry these days despite pulling down capacity - the US plan is just not working the way Dougie thought it would).

NW is one of the weaker carriers from a network perspective as well. Given that UA and CO seem to prefer each other, NW faces the prospect of being acquired by AA who will probably tear them up into pieces and then spit them out (if they can get a deal past DOJ given that AA/NW have FOUR midwest hubs). DL and NW will manage to work things out since both have mgmt teams that have managed to dramatically turn their respective carriers around.

The DL creditors may be enthralled at the idea of all that cash - but it will come at the expense of the viability of US/DL in the future. Some creditors may care less about the future of US/DL or the industry but other creditors very much do..... and of course the government sure cares.

DL mgmt hasn't raised their offer because they know it would be far better for the industry, the government, and the creditors for DL to emerge independently and then merge shortly thereafter (both carriers could finalize their lease negotiations based on a pending merger).

US faces the daunting hurdle trying to push a hostile takeover in an industry where there has NEVER been a successful hostile takeover. US also faces the most intense government review an airline merger has ever faced and all the indications are that the government would strip so much from the combined airline that US/DL would be left with little more than the socks they are wearing.

US is pursuing DL purely because its own merger strategy w/ HP is failing and it desperately needs to eliminate a competitor and gain access to the top east coast markets in order to make it. It is undoubtedly true that Parker could have set off industry consolidation but US could be left alone after the rest of the industry consolidates. US will be left with small hubs compared with other carriers that are not only not geographically positioned to capture the bulk of east-west connecting traffic but also are infested by competition.

DL's creditors will make the right decision - if for no other reason because the government will "help" them decide.
 
Who would be the acquirer?

Antitrust?

Seniority?



All those questions have been answered by LCC.


I beg to differ. US has given very vague, generalized answers to some of those questions. Namely synergies and antitrust concerns. Parker's projected synergies have yet to be detailed and scrutinized.
 
I beg to differ. US has given very vague, generalized answers to some of those questions. Namely synergies and antitrust concerns. Parker's projected synergies have yet to be detailed and scrutinized.

DP is smart. He won't and should not reveal his full plan publicly without due diligence. The creditors know all the details.
 
Wouldn't you agree that those proposed "synergies" are a large reason that US was able to secure the financing it did? Why then, wouldn't it be safe to assume that lending institutions might find the proposed DL/NW synergies even more appealing, especially if it became apparent that the proposed merge would not meet the same hostility as the US proposal.
A proposed DL/NW merge might be more readily accepted by DALPA, which as you know, is a member of the unsecured creditors committee. In addition, I would think that there would be more leverage if Delta current management team supported the plan.
On a side note Gilding, you come across as being pro DL/US. If so, what is your reasoning? Do you have a vested interest in the merge? Just curious.


Yes, I agree with you Luv2Fly that the perceived synergies are a part of the reason why US was able to secure favorable financing. I would also suggest, however, that US's post-bankruptcy performance, as debatable as it is, is also a factor in determining the terms of the financing it has lined up.

I am confident that NW and DL can line up financing for a deal based partly on free assets and perceived synergies. Unfortunately, NW and DL do not yet have a post-bankruptcy history and, thus, may not be able to secure as favorable financing as a US/DL deal. Creditors may think that DL/NW would be a better fit and may increase synergies. On the same token, creditors may see it as more risky because both firms will be merging from bankruptcy and, if the financing terms for a DL/NW deal are not as favorable, the creditors may be swayed against a proposed DL/NW deal. Of course, speculation on my, and everyone else's, part.

Interestingly, DL is still able to file with the bankruptcy court a motion for cause to extend its ability to exclusively file a plan. It can amend it current plan to account for a NW/DL merger post-bankruptcy. The court may be more willing to extend the exclusivity period if it felt that a NW/DL merger was plausible and a good reason to extend. This of course, would place US at a severe disadvantage throughout the rest of the proceedings.

Regarding DALPA... I am interested in hearing a statement regarding the NW talks.

I do have an interest in airline consolidation and/or bankruptcy... it was likely obvious from my past posts. I am indirectly involved with the airline industry. I do not have an airline or 'airline deal' in my corner; but I, and my industry, do have strong opinions regarding the outcome of these suggested deals, as my industry (and employer) is indirectly affected by such things.
 
Worldtraveler
"NW is one of the weaker carriers from a network perspective as well. Given that UA and CO seem to prefer each other, NW faces the prospect of being acquired by AA who will probably tear them up into pieces and then spit them out (if they can get a deal past DOJ given that AA/NW have FOUR midwest hubs). DL and NW will manage to work things out since both have mgmt teams that have managed to dramatically turn their respective carriers around."

How is it that that NW weak network be number 5 in the world?
 
I beg to differ. US has given very vague, generalized answers to some of those questions. Namely synergies and antitrust concerns. Parker's projected synergies have yet to be detailed and scrutinized.
Setting facts straight:

They have been released to the creditors already under a confidentiality agreement..so they are being scrutinized by the only organization that have a right to do so. This was disclosed on the conf call with analysts today.
 
DL's creditors will make the right decision - if for no other reason because the government will "help" them decide.
Here's the press release showing the "unofficial" creditor's most recent decision that called upon Delta "to provide thoughtful and unbiased consideration to US Airways' enhanced offer. The Unofficial Committee believes that it is in the best interests of Delta and its stakeholders for Delta to immediately take the following steps:

1. Provide reasonable and customary access for US Airways to perform its due diligence in a manner consistent with similar transactions.

2. Fully cooperate with US Airways to make the required filings under HSR.

3. Postpone Delta's Disclosure Statement hearing currently scheduled for February 7, 2007, to allow Delta to fully evaluate US Airways' proposal.

4. Include the active participation and input of the Unofficial Committee's advisors with respect to the US Airways' proposal and other strategic alternatives.

5. Desist from taking actions intended to deter other companies from proposing transactions with Delta that may result in greater creditor recoveries than under a stand-alone Chapter 11 plan."

I realize that this press release doesn't have the standing of a pronouncement by the "official" creditors committee, but it sure does make things interesting.
 
Setting facts straight:

They have been released to the creditors already under a confidentiality agreement..so they are being scrutinized by the only organization that have a right to do so. This was disclosed on the conf call with analysts today.


Sorry but there isn't anything US could have disclosed regarding DOJ approval. Antitrust consultants do not qualify as DOJ members. The DOJ is a virtual unknown and therefore represents an unknown in Parkers proposal. That is a fact.
 
Does everyone here think they really understand what is going to happen. There are other airlines already in place to buy up pieces of both airlines that won't be needed. This will be approved and everyone at Delta needs to get a grip, take that chip off your shoulder, you are not the airline you used to be. USAIRWAYS is not coming after you the banks are. Unionize together quit the fighting, time is running out for the working person. This will happen whether we like it or not.
 
Does everyone here think they really understand what is going to happen. There are other airlines already in place to buy up pieces of both airlines that won't be needed. This will be approved and everyone at Delta needs to get a grip, take that chip off your shoulder, you are not the airline you used to be. USAIRWAYS is not coming after you the banks are. Unionize together quit the fighting, time is running out for the working person. This will happen whether we like it or not.

I don't think it is that simple NR. It is and will always be out of our control.

I disagree with you in that USDAL will happen. Hostile takeovers in the airline industry just don't happen/work. It is a recipe for disaster.

If Delta desires a match with someone else, such as NW, it will happen simply because they will use their combined efforts to do it. That is not the case with the hostile US attempt.
 
Worldtraveler
"NW is one of the weaker carriers from a network perspective as well. Given that UA and CO seem to prefer each other, NW faces the prospect of being acquired by AA who will probably tear them up into pieces and then spit them out (if they can get a deal past DOJ given that AA/NW have FOUR midwest hubs). DL and NW will manage to work things out since both have mgmt teams that have managed to dramatically turn their respective carriers around."

How is it that that NW weak network be number 5 in the world?

Hubs in MEM, MSP and DTW are weak metro areas. NW has uneven coverage for domestic service. LCC is trying to bid 'up' into stronger markets with DL. DL is resisting, because it doesn't want to dilute its large markets. Going with NW is a worse partner for domestic markets, only bringing Asia and DTW, as is a cliche here on USAviation.
 
Hubs in MEM, MSP and DTW are weak metro areas. NW has uneven coverage for domestic service. LCC is trying to bid 'up' into stronger markets with DL. DL is resisting, because it doesn't want to dilute its large markets. Going with NW is a worse partner for domestic markets, only bringing Asia and DTW, as is a cliche here on USAviation.

Based on that analogy US should be bigger domestically than NWA...which it ain't...by a long shot, evan with a HP merger.

Clearly, you don't have a clue as to what is "weak" when it comes to o/d markets. Do some homework and learn how many Fortune 500 companies call MSP and DTW, Mem home. Come back with some GDPs of these Metro areas then we can talk.

$79 dollar fares from the hillbilly crowd is what US knows best. Stick to it. NW is the largest airline in the Midwest and to Canada, it knows it's market well. Which also means it has upside potential to squash US in the East after the merger.
 
WT-

I sincerely hope you don't honestly believe that having the lowest load factor qualifies as failure. Quite frankly, it's sickening to see most of the legacies flying around with 80%+ LF's these days. To do that means at or near 100% Thursday through Sunday. Think about the implications of that. Beyond the obvious operation strain, the fuel burn at these prices isn't always worth it. A lower load factor with higher fares is a much better equation. I have not looked at US's avg fare as of late but I'm guessing they're doing ok given that LF problems can be quickly solved. It's a few entries in any RM system to open the flood gates and have fare sales to fill seats.

As for DL vs. DL/US vs DL/NW there is a lot going on. I did find it interesting that in the WSJ article Bethune is quoted as saying that the US offer could pass anti-trust scrutiny. Additionally, I did read somewhere today that NW has been seeking advice from the DOJ already.

I simply don't understand this belief that US is attempting to take over Delta because US is scared of the future. Under that hypothesis, why isn't GM attacking Toyota or Honda? Those two competitors clearly present a large threat to GM. US is doing this to enrich its shareholders. That's Parker's job. Delta gives US quicker access to a lot of Trans Atlantic markets without slugging it out for a long time. US gives Delta strength out West. Duplicative assets can be sold to help finance the merger and if done correctly, they'll be disbursed among multiple carriers making US the prime choice for the current DL customers. It truly is a great effort to force consolidation in the industry.

It seems Bethune gave Parker a tounge lashing about how to really get a deal done...I think Parker's quote was something along the lines of Bethune having used a lot of profanity and offering a lot of insight.
 
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