Death Panels

[muff daddy]

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[southwind]

I will not do all your home work for you. I explained that Obama did not say what you implied he said. You are free to look up the rest or not as it suits you.

Did you even go to school? I bet you paid someone to research your papers as it is obvious that you have no idea how to source anything.

Sorry Tree, Wikipedia is not a viable source ! Ask Quag !

 

[signals]

Again, none of your concern. I am what I have said I am. Believe or don't. I could not care less.

Riiiight 😛h34r:

Passports are only issued to citizens.

 

[signals]

Medicare/medicade VA care

I'll give you that one, but they do come with a price. You have to be 65, you have to be poor, or you had to serve in the military.

Tell you what, when someone on medicade uses euthenasia, then I'll be all for it!

 

[signals]

Show me one instance where my beliefs are being imposed on anyone.


Republicans are the ones who vote against patients rights and their right to die on their own terms. Republicans are the ones who constantly impose their morality on others.

Morality is fluid. It is based on POV and environment. At one point and time it was moral to own another human being, segregate the people based on gender, race and religion just to name a few. What is moral has changed. Most people do not think it is moral to make another human being suffer needlessly when they have chosen to die with dignity. There are many in the health care profession who agree with this but are prevented by law from helping people die on their own terms because of people like you who think you are the sole dictator or what is moral and what is not.

As far as I am concerned you can take your morality and shove it where the sun does not shine. At least then your head will have some company.

You don't agree with my terms and accuse me of pushing my beliefs, yet you can push the fact that you are against my beliefs. Helllo!

Funny how we are changing the term Assisted SUICIDE to euthenasia or right to die. If I didn't know any better, that seems like a way to null and void the suicide clause in all LIFE INSURANCE POLICIES. Vultures come for the money after all!

Your morality talk is wasted, because ALL human beings hold a dark side. If you don't understand morals you pull immoral acts of the past and label them to meet your needs. It's like pointing out all the hypocrites who call themselves Christrians. Human beings are hypocrites by nature and Christians aren't Christ...and I still consider the so called Christians in the US as misguided.

 

[signals]

What is it that you think a hospice does? I know people who work hospice and hospice is a for of euthanasia. A protracted form but euthanasia none the less. They use morphine and other high powered narcotics to 'make a person comfortable' so they die.


Your morality would make people suffer. World would be a much better place without it. You do as you please. Don't think for a minute that you can force your morality on others.


So in your world someone who wants to end their life on their terms has no morals? What ever.

What is it that you think a hospice does? I know people who work hospice and hospice is a for of euthenasia. A protracted form but euthenais none the less. They use morphine and other high powered narcotics to 'make aperson comfortable' so they die.

Again what the hell are you talking about? I understand that hospice, most times, means the end. I have known people that have actually overstayed their hospice welcome.

Again, I have nothing against anyone ending their own life. That is what I have been ssaying. I just don't think you should have assisted suicide by a physician.

 

[signals]

Show me one instance. Just one.

Again if you have a problem with someone's opinion you are, directly or indirectly, pushing your belief. It's entertaining when all you birds of a feather flock together. 😛

 

[Ms Tree]

You don't agree with my terms and accuse me of pushing my beliefs, yet you can push the fact that you are against my beliefs. Helllo!

Funny how we are changing the term Assisted SUICIDE to euthenasia or right to die. If I didn't know any better, that seems like a way to null and void the suicide clause in all LIFE INSURANCE POLICIES. Vultures come for the money after all!

Your morality talk is wasted, because ALL human beings hold a dark side. If you don't understand morals you pull immoral acts of the past and label them to meet your needs. It's like pointing out all the hypocrites who call themselves Christrians. Human beings are hypocrites by nature and Christians aren't Christ...and I still consider the so called Christians in the US as misguided.

Your POV denies me a right to control my own body and destiny. My POV gives you an option that you may choose or not. Your view is restrictive, mine is not. Your POV is being forced on me as I do not have an option, mine is not being pushed on you as you do not have to do it. It is your option to continue suffering if you choose to.

Right, it's about the insurance policy. What a moronic thing to say.

I consider any follower of misguided.

 

[Ms Tree]

Again what the hell are you talking about? I understand that hospice, most times, means the end. I have known people that have actually overstayed their hospice welcome.

Again, I have nothing against anyone ending their own life. That is what I have been ssaying. I just don't think you should have assisted suicide by a physician.

Hospice by definition is end of life. Not all people die on a doctors time line.

Then don't do it. Who the hell are you to tell a doctor and patient what they can or cannot do? If both/all parties agree to it that is their business not yours.

 

[Ms Tree]

Again if you have a problem with someone's opinion you are, directly or indirectly, pushing your belief. It's entertaining when all you birds of a feather flock together. 😛

That is some nice convoluted logic. You just said that you do not believe in doctor assisted suicide. Fine don't do it. I am saying I do believe in the right to doctor assisted suicide. You may take advantage of it or not. I am not depriving you of an option as you are with your POV.

Kind of like the right wing nut jobs and abortion. Don't want one, fine don't have one but don't tell someone else what they may or may not do.

Since you have a problem with my POV does that mean you are pushing your belief? That is what you said right?

 

[muff daddy]

OH, I found them. Just wanted to see if you would come clean or continue your lies. The Obama quote is taken so far out of context as to be funny. It does not even come close to meaning what you want it to mean.

He gave an example of his grand mother who fell and broke her him. Having her hip replaced at her age would have made the hospital and doctor a butt load of cash butt would not have added to her quality of life. So passed on the surgery.


This is just one example. Had you bothered to research the comment you might have found this out on your own but since you and South do not believe in research but rather in throwing crap against the wall to see what stick, this is the type of BS lies that you end up posting.


I'm not going to bother with the other examples since they are just more of the same lies that the two of you constantly put forth as facts. Feel free to believe your own bile of research it. We all know the quality of the information in your posts.

I find it hilarious for you to comment on someones understanding of any thing given the number of times you have been proven to full of crap on this site.

I find it interesting that you claim Madelyn Dunham passed on hip surgery.

The questions I wonder about were why, exactly, did Madelyn Dunham (Obama's grandmother) get hip replacement surgery given that she was suffering from heart disease, terminal cancer and possibly had had a stroke.

"I don't know how much that hip replacement cost," Mr. Obama said in the interview with David Leonhardt of The Times. "I would have paid out of pocket for that hip replacement, just because she's my grandmother. Whether, sort of in the aggregate, society making those decisions to give my grandmother, or everybody else's aging grandparents or parents, a hip replacement when they're terminally ill is a sustainable model is a very difficult question."

http://www.newameric...versation-11479

Tell me more about my sourced lies and your truths.

 

[Ms Tree]

Typing on a cell phone is a ####. Should have read "So she should have passed on the surgery".

Obama wanted to do everything he could for his mom. It sounds like the doctors did not say that the hip replacement is not going to help her. It would have made them a butt load of cash so they advocated the procedure. A good doctor would have talked Obama and his family out of it in my opinion.

We have a health care system that is motivated by profit and not care. This is the crap you end up with.

The original point still stands. Obama did not say that elderly should pass on help full surgery and go for the pain killer as you implied but that people should not be coaxed into having surgery (hip replacement) that will do nothing to increase their quality of life. A lot of times these useless procedures are encouraged by the family as they are unwilling or unable to see their loved one pass regardless of the suffering or fruitlessness of the case. Terrie Shivo is a perfect example of this. The woman was dead, only her body was not made aware of this fact. Tens of thousands of dollars were wasted on keeping her body alive because her parents were unable to say good bye.

 

[muff daddy]

He gave an example of his grand mother who fell and broke her him. Having her hip replaced at her age would have made the hospital and doctor a butt load of cash butt would not have added to her quality of life. So passed on the surgery.

Looks like you made a bunch of typing errors. Try not to type with your foot in your mouth.

The original point still stands.

Your original point was I am a liar and don't research what I post..looks like someone needs to reflect a bit.

Obama said this:

"There is going to have to be a conversation that is guided by doctors, scientists, ethicists," Mr. Obama said. "And then there is going to have to be a very difficult democratic conversation that takes place. It is very difficult to imagine the country making those decisions just through normal political channels. And that's part of why you have to have some independent group that can give you guidance. It's not determinative, but I think has to be able to give you some guidance."

And it will be age and cost driven with those 'advisors' recommending/pressuring the most cost effective outcome in moments where the patient may or may not be in the most rational state of their life. And people like the Presidents Grandmother will still get all the life extending care that you and I won't.

 

[signals]

Your POV denies me a right to control my own body and destiny. My POV gives you an option that you may choose or not. Your view is restrictive, mine is not. Your POV is being forced on me as I do not have an option, mine is not being pushed on you as you do not have to do it. It is your option to continue suffering if you choose to.

Right, it's about the insurance policy. What a moronic thing to say.

I consider any follower of misguided.

My view is my opinion. People have a right to disagree because I am not trying to push anything. Whether you or I agree we are both sharing our opinions. It doesn't matter if your point of view is different from mine, it is only an @$$#0!3 that everybody has.

Tell you what, if it isn't about the insurance lets continue to call it assisted SUICIDE. This way the...a-hem...loved one is made aware that they get butt-kiss! Now lets see if we can pass ASSISTED SUICIDE so people don't have to suffer 😛

 

[signals]

Hospice by definition is end of life. Not all people die on a doctors time line.

Then don't do it. Who the hell are you to tell a doctor and patient what they can or cannot do? If both/all parties agree to it that is their business not yours.

Maybe you should stop smoking what you're smoking. I am a nobody, much like yourself. I am an American citizen(Naturalized) and vote, you are questionable. Hospice does mean the end, and comes in when the doctor says the person has so long to live and they start to get weak. Assisted suicide is you deciding you want to die and want your doctor to help you.

You spread your views that are the RIGHT ones, and I'll share my opinions that are in LEFT field 😛