Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Phoenix]

For all of you CLT supporters. Let's take a look at this single issue. what was one of the east "complaints" about ALPA and one of the "reasons" for leaving ALPA? That ALPA would never call a meeting for the members to recall your leaders. that was not going to happen with the new and improved union. Yet here you are again. The reps demanding that a recall not happen.


What have they got to "DEFEND" themselves against? I thought they want to EXPLAIN why they voted they way they did.



Poor Mr. McKee. He has no idea what is going on. Did he miss soon meetings? Not paying attention? How is it that he is not involved in the process?




First of all there are a lot of I's in that statement.

I think the most telling statement in his e-mail is "I will be harmed by not being able to properly defend myself."
What would be the great "harm" Dewitt would suffer? That he would no longer get to drop trips and stay home on FPL?

Once again the failed logic of the east pilot mind shines through. Dewitt had a choice to make BEFORE the process started. He could have decided not to sign the NDA and be barred from any confidentional meetings. Or he can sign the NDA and be bound to it. You can't agree and sign the NDA then change your mind and go back on your AFTER you made the agreement.

It is not very business professional to send a demand letter like this at 11:00 am and expact an answer and a change in policy at 5:00pm that same day. Since Hummels letter did not go out intil two days later did Dewitt really follow through or was it just a bluff?

Lastly "govern youeself accordingly" Wow quite the threat little man. Talk about a guy that has no situational awareness and completely fails to understand the very bad position he is in. But that would just be typical east pilots behavior. Making threats and demanding things with no leverage, no cards to play.

The reason the ALPA recall was obvious. There was no secret agenda.

Perhaps the agenda for a recall now isn't so secret as some would imagine, but they are entitled to be silent about their agenda if they chose to be.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

The reason the ALPA recall was obvious. There was no secret agenda.

Perhaps the agenda for a recall now isn't so secret as some would imagine, but they are entitled to be silent about their agenda if they chose to be.

Or maybe a large group of CLT pilots finally said enough. I have said it here before, every USAPA rep should have faced recall based on their performance during the first MOU. Hopefully that story never needs to be told if we can just move on. But the CLT reps CONTINUE to fail. Just come to a meeting for 2 or 3 hours and watch them at work. Embarrassing. I also don't want them representing me if our reps are "folded" into APA. And their latest maneuverings to avoid the calling of the recall ARE like CLT ALPA during the dying days that union. These guys are so self-important that they feel we cannot afford to recall them at this crossroads. They are wrong. They are replaceable by any line pilot.Greeter

 

[Portly Dorman]

The reason the ALPA recall was obvious. There was no secret agenda.

Perhaps the agenda for a recall now isn't so secret as some would imagine, but they are entitled to be silent about their agenda if they chose to be.

The secret agenda, pot, meet kettle.

So says the master of secret agendas....

 

[Metroyet]

USCABA's agenda is secret? I thought it was the most obvious thing in the World. So did the Addington Jury. CLT reps are plain old, bat schitt crazy. CRAZY....as in mentally unstable, delusional, and paranoid....psychotic...Loco...Kookoo.....BAT FKING SCHITT CRAZY!!!

Never has a group of professional pilots been MORE deserving of such representation. This is called "lying in the bed you made". I love it. Has anybody asked Scab Crimi what was REALLY so upsetting during the MOU talks? APA let out a little hint: and in true USCABA form, they rather blatantly omitted from their generous communications. Here's another hint: he wasn't upset that his heroism was being ignored. That was another typical lie "leaked" by the most professional, transparent "union" in history.

 

[Phoenix]

<p>Phoenix said: "Especially when the balance of power on the BPR appears to have take a turn toward more successes like the pension give away and LOA 93... Not saying that is what the recall folks want, but since they have a lot of support from the West and are offended at the notion of revealing their privy thoughts... What are others to think? Well, its self-evident."

And there it is again..a reference to "power." I don't attribute it to you, rather to the company you kept for so many years of stagnation. There is a new team in town that is trying to bring this pilot group an improved life, and they ( to a man) have no interest in being in union work for any other purpose. They will hopefully soon be returning to the line unconcerned about "balances of power" or the fantasy USAPA even continues to exist a year from now. (it won't) And not a dig at you sir, but when finished, they also won't be going out on a medical because they hate flying and hate our pilots (again..not directed at you, in any way. You know who I mean)I see you and others waste no time in comparing work you have not even seen to past failures. I again suggest everyone stop flailing around and making judgments about what was given away or not given away, and simply wait and see what lies ahead with an AMR merger.Once the NDA is lifted, I look forward to us all trading predictions of passage or failure of the MOU. Greeter

No one is required to share why they want to shake up the BPR, unless they are campaigning for sympathy votes. Playing coy like a recall effort isn't about gaining the upper hand to get what you want, that is simply the ploy of an incorrigible politician (thats about as kind as I can put it 🙂 )

The BPR we now have got us the MOU we now have, and they did so unanimously with representatives from a very wide political persuasion. Sure the discussions were probably heated. If they weren't that would be a failure. Now that we await the MOU, in a period of tranquility, why are we now at this moment supposed to pull our swords from their scabbards?

When the MOU comes out maybe there will be lots of reasons for a recall.

 

[dca319]

Or maybe a large group of CLT pilots finally said enough. I have said it here before, every USAPA rep should have faced recall based on their performance during the first MOU. Hopefully that story never needs to be told if we can just move on. But the CLT reps CONTINUE to fail. Just come to a meeting for 2 or 3 hours and watch them at work. Embarrassing. I also don't want them representing me if our reps are "folded" into APA. And their latest maneuverings to avoid the calling of the recall ARE like CLT ALPA during the dying days that union. These guys are so self-important that they feel we cannot afford to recall them at this crossroads. They are wrong. They are replaceable by any line pilot.Greeter

My thoughts exactly. Well posted greeter.

 

[cleardirect]

No one is required to share why they want to shake up the BPR, unless they are campaigning for sympathy votes. Playing coy like a recall effort isn't about gaining the upper hand to get what you want, that is simply the ploy of an incorrigible politician (thats about as kind as I can put it 🙂 )

The BPR we now have got us the MOU we now have, and they did so unanimously with representatives from a very wide political persuasion. Sure the discussions were probably heated. If they weren't that would be a failure. Now that we await the MOU, in a period of tranquility, why are we now at this moment supposed to pull our swords from their scabbards?

When the MOU comes out maybe there will be lots of reasons for a recall.

The old and tired excuse.

This is not the time to change horses. We are at a critical time of the union.
Don't disrupt the unity. Can't replace the reps with all the experience and historical knowledge.

Ect. Ect.

If that were truly the case you should have never changed unions.

It is the same excuse every time. By that logic no rep would ever get recalled.

 

[machflyer]

Union work is tough work...and "any" line pilot is not up to the task.
What kind of volunteer history do you have...dca319, cleared direct, greeter?
Just curious...

 

[A320 Driver]

Union work is tough work...and "any" line pilot is not up to the task.
What kind of volunteer history do you have...dca319, cleared direct, greeter?
Just curious...

It is tough work, no question. It's also tough to sit there in the gallery and watch idiots toying with your livelihood for the sake of politics. This power trip has got to stop. We have some great people that want to do this the right way and then step aside when the time comes. It's time for a change. The letter Ingram wrote should be enough to convince anyone. It's not about representation. It's about FPL. It's about stipends. A person of integrity, faced with a recall, should just step aside quietly. But not this bunch. We will have to throw them out. Wait and see.

Driver...

 

[machflyer]

Not defending anyone in particular, and I can tell from your response that you've never done any full-time volunteer union work. Nobody has the unilateral power of the pen when it comes to FPL. There's an oversight and approval process at the S/T, EVP level. But then it's easier to throw stones from the sideline, I know.

 

[Metroyet]

. A person of integrity, faced with a recall, should just step aside quietly. But not this bunch. We will have to throw them out. Wait and see.

Driver...

Really? Since when did "Integrity Matter"? Boy, the hypocrisy radiating off this board is thick enough to cut with a knife.

 

[A320 Driver]

Really? Since when did "Integrity Matter"? Boy, the hypocrisy radiating off this board is thick enough to cut with a knife.

Boy, you'd think we could have a few posts in a row dealing with something other than the FREAKIN' NIC!!!!!

 

[Claxon]

Really? Since when did "Integrity Matter"? Boy, the hypocrisy radiating off this board is thick enough to cut with a knife.

Integrity always matters Metroyet. Do you have any examples of who you found that did not have integrity?

 

[Claxon]

cactusboy53, nevergiveup, lynyrdskynyrd, A320 Driver, prechilill, Metroyet, machflyer, Portly Dorman, fatherabraham

 

[dca319]

Not defending anyone in particular, and I can tell from your response that you've never done any full-time volunteer union work. Nobody has the unilateral power of the pen when it comes to FPL. There's an oversight and approval process at the S/T, EVP level. But then it's easier to throw stones from the sideline, I know.

So now one has to have been a volunteer to recall reps? Sport, not buying if. They have a job to do and they're not doing it. Not volunteering doesn't preclude me from scrutinizing their effectiveness.