Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cleardirect]

For you westies the NIC is a figment of your imagination so don't even think about it what you should be concerned about is Hummel losing alot of money for this entire pilot group, the good news is that maybe this management team will be shown the door soon. When we find out the details we need to be sure to thank the "compass correction" folks. They are the ones responsible for putting in Hummel and Weidner. It sounds like are CLT reps saved us big time, we all owe them a special thanks.

The CLT reps saved you big time?????


How by voted 11-0?

Kiss ass.

 

[A320 Driver]

For you westies the NIC is a figment of your imagination so don't even think about it what you should be concerned about is Hummel losing alot of money for this entire pilot group, the good news is that maybe this management team will be shown the door soon. When we find out the details we need to be sure to thank the "compass correction" folks. They are the ones responsible for putting in Hummel and Weidner. It sounds like are CLT reps saved us big time, we all owe them a special thanks.

It must be a very special place you live in...this alternate reality you are always writing about.

 

[Phoenix]

Agenda Item - Lifting the veil of confidentiality of recently closed meetings to happen concurrent with the NDA ending.

The following motion was Moved/Seconded (Crimi/Gillies) and after much discussion, the motion failed 5-6 (Yes - CLT, PHL Szpyrka, Gillies; No - DCA, PHL - Weidner, PHX)

USAPA Line Pilot Education

Whereas the USAPA BPR recently approved an MOU related to a potential merger of American Airlines and US Airways and voted unanimously to recommend its approval to the membership, and
Whereas the BPR wishes to allow the membership an opportunity to weigh the benefits and risks of such an agreement after being fully informed and educated, and
Whereas because of the complexities of the process leading up to the BPR’s unanimous vote, individual members of the BPR would like the opportunity to explain how they arrived at their decision to recommend approval of the MOU, and
Whereas due to the communications restrictions contained in both the NDA and certain “closed” BPR meetings, BPR members are presently restricted from adequately educating the pilots they represent as to how they arrived at their decision to recommend approval of the MOU,
Therefore be it resolved that the BPR directs those portions of closed meetings held from April 30th 2012 through January 4th 2013 related to negotiations, except for confidential attorney client communications, be deemed non-confidential beginning at the time the confidentiality restrictions of the NDA are no longer applicable, and
Be it finally resolved that any other portions of those same closed meetings not related to MOU negotiations shall remain confidential.

 

[nevergiveup]

Figured out how you are going to avoid the Nicolau and get DOH?

Can you explain the process?

If APA wants DOH, then it is certainly possible. Nic is possible. LOS is possible. Sit back and get comfortable because we still have a long way to go. No bathroom breaks for the next hundred miles and no touching your sister. Be sure to say cheeze and smile for the snapshot when it comes!

 

[Phoenix]

Scope Provisions Evaluation

WHEREAS, the USAPA Board of Pilot Representatives recently approved an MOU that is widely anticipated to include amendments to Section 1 (Scope) of the US Airways’s pilots’ Collective Bargaining Agreement, and

WHEREAS, it is in the best interest of the US Airways’s pilots to be provided a comprehensive review of the section 1 provisions prior to their voting to approve or disapprove possible amendments, and

WHEREAS, USAPA has in the past contracted and consulted with Giordano, Halleran & Ciesla, P.C.’s Mergers and Acquisitions (“M&A&rdquo😉 Practice Group, who conducted a thorough review of Sections 1©, 1(D), 1(E), 1(F), 1(I), and 1(J) of the East CBA,

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the BPR directs the EVP to contact Giordano, Halleran & Ciesla, P.C.’s for M&A services and consulting and assess the firm’s availability to immediately undertake a review of the potential AMR/LCC transaction relative to the scope provisions of our Collective Bargaining Agreement, the valuation of such provisions, and possible triggering events, and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED if it is confirmed that the Giordano firm is available, the BPR directs the USAPA Executive Vice President to immediately contract with the firm to undertake a review and evaluation of Section 1 (A), and 1(B of the East CBA and all of Section 1 of the West CBA in relation to the contemplated transactions, and

BE IT FINALY RESOLVED that if Giordano, Halleran & Ciesla are contracted, the BPR directs that the firm coordinate with and report to the President, Merger Committee Chairman and Grievance Committee Chairman for USAPA.

At approximately 2155, a motion to table was Moved/Seconded (Stein/Dugstad), but failed 5-6 (For - DCA Stein, Dugstad, PHL Weidner, PHX Scherff, Simmons; Against - CLT, PHL Szpyrka, Gillies, PHX Velez).

The question was then called (Gillies/Crimi) and the motion passed 6-3-2 (For CLT, PHL- Szpyrka, Gilles; DCA- Stein, Against PHX; Abstain DCA Dugstad, PHL Weidner)

Here comes the next wave of RJs.... the really big RJs... maybe not the international RJs (yet), but big RJs none the less.

 

[cleardirect]

Here comes the next wave of RJs.... the really big RJs... maybe not the international RJs (yet), but big RJs none the less.

That is OK. You east guys are used to flying RJ. Maybe the NAC can even get you a decent hourly wage to fly them.

 

[nevergiveup]

That is OK. You east guys are used to flying RJ. Maybe the NAC can even get you a decent hourly wage to fly them.

I'll fly a cub if the pay is right! Ego left years ago. I do like those toast-able waffles.

 

[dca319]

For you westies the NIC is a figment of your imagination so don't even think about it what you should be concerned about is Hummel losing alot of money for this entire pilot group, the good news is that maybe this management team will be shown the door soon. When we find out the details we need to be sure to thank the "compass correction" folks. They are the ones responsible for putting in Hummel and Weidner. It sounds like are CLT reps saved us big time, we all owe them a special thanks.

Is this a serious post?

 

[Phoenix]

Perhaps the GAG traded away more scope and think it would be unseemly if too much info got out about their opinions of it.

 

[cleardirect]

If APA wants DOH, then it is certainly possible. Nic is possible. LOS is possible. Sit back and get comfortable because we still have a long way to go. No bathroom breaks for the next hundred miles and no touching your sister. Be sure to say cheeze and smile for the snapshot when it comes!

That does not explain hoe you get to DOH.

There is no way the APA want DOH. DOH places 85% of the east pilots in the top 50% of the combined list.

DOH places 2500 east pilots (77.1%) with 2500 american pilots in the first 5000 (28.5%).
DOH places 5950 american pilots in the bottom 8600 (69%) and only 560 east pilots in the bottom 8600 (6.5%). Essentially stapling a majority of american pilots to the bottom half of the combined list.

In what universe do you think APA is going to allow that to happen?

LOS would not change those number much.

Not using the Nicolau sure trip to court.

Use the Nicolau no extra negotiations needed. The US Airways pilots are evenly distributed through the combined list.

Now again how does usapa avoid the Nicolau and get DOH?

 

[cleardirect]

Perhaps the GAG traded away more scope and think it would be unseemly if too much info got out about their opinions of it.

The opinion of the entire BPR is a recommendation to vote yes for the MOU.

But wait are you saying that the BPR members gave their word to vote yes and accepted a deal BUT now are going to go back on that deal???

So it ain't so. Shocking east leadership going back on their word. when has that ever happened before? Oh yeah, ALL the time.

 

[nevergiveup]

That does not explain hoe you get to DOH.

There is no way the APA want DOH. DOH places 85% of the east pilots in the top 50% of the combined list.

DOH places 2500 east pilots (77.1%) with 2500 american pilots in the first 5000 (28.5%).
DOH places 5950 american pilots in the bottom 8600 (69%) and only 560 east pilots in the bottom 8600 (6.5%). Essentially stapling a majority of american pilots to the bottom half of the combined list.

In what universe do you think APA is going to allow that to happen?

LOS would not change those number much.

Not using the Nicolau sure trip to court.

Use the Nicolau no extra negotiations needed. The US Airways pilots are evenly distributed through the combined list.

Now again how does usapa avoid the Nicolau and get DOH?

Relax, have a cold beverage and enjoy the upcoming weekend!

 

[Phoenix]

That does not explain hoe you get to DOH.

There is no way the APA want DOH. DOH places 85% of the east pilots in the top 50% of the combined list.

DOH places 2500 east pilots (77.1%) with 2500 american pilots in the first 5000 (28.5%).
DOH places 5950 american pilots in the bottom 8600 (69%) and only 560 east pilots in the bottom 8600 (6.5%). Essentially stapling a majority of american pilots to the bottom half of the combined list.

In what universe do you think APA is going to allow that to happen?

LOS would not change those number much.

Not using the Nicolau sure trip to court.

Use the Nicolau no extra negotiations needed. The US Airways pilots are evenly distributed through the combined list.

Now again how does usapa avoid the Nicolau and get DOH?

The Nic was implemented system wide already. Don't forget to put your bids in.

 

[cleardirect]

The Nic was implemented system wide already. Don't forget to put your bids in.

Now again how does usapa avoid the Nicolau and get DOH?

What part of my question did you misunderstand to mean that it already happened? Intentionally ignorant?

Care to answer the question?

 

[luvthe9]

Is this a serious post?

It's a wild guess as to what's going to happen.