Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Phoenix]

After we ratified the MOU a new bid came out... Are we using the Nic for the bid?

 

[EastUS1]

After we ratified the MOU a new bid came out... Are we using the Nic for the bid?

Sigh!..Brother?...."You'se" jess' wudn't nevah unnnerstan'! 'Dem west folks got's it's all done figgered out! 😉 Next bid? = Forty acres and mebbe' evan ....uh...what comes afta' one?...Oh yeah! = THREE mules! 🙂

 

[Phoenix]

Sigh!..Brother?...."You'se" jess' wudn't nevah unnnerstan'! 'Dem west folks got's it's all done figgered out! 😉 Next bid? = Forty acres and mebbe' evan ....uh...what comes afta' one?...Oh yeah! = TWO mules! 🙂

Well I'm thinkin' real hard 'bout it. I figure I may as well bid 190FO reserve since that is we're I will be next week once ClearDirect and UHaul get Wake to parachute into Tempe.

 

[EastUS1]

Well I'm thinkin' real hard 'bout it. I figure I may as well bid 190FO reserve since that is we're I will be next week once ClearDirect and UHaul get Wake to parachute into Tempe.

Ah'd fust thunk it wuzz jess' TWO mules , but Fergie and Cactusboy dun' called me up and promnised me it wuzz THREE whut comes after ONE! (and immediately asked for more donations) 🙂 Ya' best watch yur a-z, evil eastie...'dem 1700 out west gonna' change 'da whole world!

This whole MOU situation would be so logically absurd that it'd necessarily be comical, were it not for so many who will be probably be harmed from it.

 

[A320 Driver]

Ah'd fust thunk it wuzz jess' TWO mules , but Fergie and Cactusboy dun' called me up and promnised me it wuzz THREE whut comes after ONE! (and immediately asked for more donations) 🙂 Ya' best watch yur a-z, evil eastie...'dem 1700 out west gonna' change 'da whole world!

This whole MOU situation would be so logically absurd that it'd necessarily be comical, were it not for so many who will be probably be harmed from it.

The possibility of harm from the MOU still looks better than the certainty of LOA93 and no input into our futures. We'll see. The best part is we don't have to endure the page long quotes from Woody's website that LUVthe9 was posting. 🙂

 

[Black Swan]

After we ratified the MOU a new bid came out... Are we using the Nic for the bid?

Amazing coincidence that bid right after the MOU, and then followed by an E 195 order of a pretty large magnitude.
Jerry Glass predicted the outcome of this vote, steered this vote, and planned for this vote.
Just like he had LOA 93 written long before the need. That thing was way too complex and far reaching for a quick write.
Wait till you read the story on this AA deal after it comes out. It will read just like the USAir AWA merger. The major obstacle, being a pension being held by the American pilots. This deal was run long, long ago. The script was handed to the actors at the last minute. The actors being the LCC pilots and Gary Hummel. Oh, almost forgot. Jack Butler. The guy who bragged how he terminated a whole bunch of peoples retirements.......He had a huge part in this. The LCC pilots? They are going to have to ask the director for a lot of clarification as to how the play runs.
The director had the script a year ago.
I would imagine Aqua and Ciabattoni are going to be real busy in the near future trying to interpret this script.

 

[traderjake]

Amazing coincidence that bid right after the MOU, and then followed by an E 195 order of a pretty large magnitude.

Please post a link for the announcement of the large E195 order, I must have missed that one.

 

[Phoenix]

Amazing coincidence that bid right after the MOU, and then followed by an E 195 order of a pretty large magnitude.
Jerry Glass predicted the outcome of this vote, steered this vote, and planned for this vote.
Just like he had LOA 93 written long before the need. That thing was way too complex and far reaching for a quick write.
Wait till you read the story on this AA deal after it comes out. It will read just like the USAir AWA merger. The major obstacle, being a pension being held by the American pilots. This deal was run long, long ago. The script was handed to the actors at the last minute. The actors being the LCC pilots and Gary Hummel. Oh, almost forgot. Jack Butler. The guy who bragged how he terminated a whole bunch of peoples retirements.......He had a huge part in this. The LCC pilots? They are going to have to ask the director for a lot of clarification as to how the play runs.
The director had the script a year ago.
I would imagine Aqua and Ciabattoni are going to be real busy in the near future trying to interpret this script.

Agreed. Funny how the bid went stagnent an hour or two after the MOU.. By 2015 you will be hard pressed to find a single pilot that voted for it, same as LOA93 now.

 

[Bill Brasky]

Yes, must be a conspiracy. They've never changed staffing to meet seasonal requirements before, have they? Oh, wait. You mean they have?

I see nothing but some speculation here about an E195 order, churned up by a bunch of malcontents. LCC has someting like 260 airbusses (actually, more than 310 if you include the ones ordered by AWE that are still awaiting delivery) on order, and AMR has even more airplanes coming. That's what they need, more airplanes on order.

And, wrong about not finding someone that voted for it, too. I did. You guys whine and whine about USAPA not coming up with a contract, then, when they do, you make up all kinds of conspiracy theories about it. It appears the children are from both sides of the continent.

If the company is worried about anything it's where they're going to find pilots to fly these things in 10 years.

 

[Phoenix]

Yes, must be a conspiracy. They've never changed staffing to meet seasonal requirements before, have they? Oh, wait. You mean they have?

I see nothing but some speculation here about an E195 order, churned up by a bunch of malcontents. LCC has someting like 260 airbusses on order, and AMR has even more airplanes coming. That's what they need, more airplanes on order.

And, wrong about not finding someone that voted for it, too. I did. You guys whine and whine about USAPA not coming up with a contract, then, when they do, you make up all kinds of conspiracy theories about it. It appears the children are from both sides of the continent.

If the company is worried about anything it's where they're going to find pilots to fly these things in 10 years.

That's funny.. I heard the same thing a week after LOA93 passed.

 

[Bill Brasky]

NO you didn't. LOA 93 was voted for by senior guys that wanted the company around long enough to take their money and run. And that's exactly what they did. Back then, US was blazing a new trail. It was the first to do the chapter 11 thing, and the first to do it twice in 2 years. Nobody, not even you, had any idea how it was going to end up. LOA 93 was voted in because EVERYONE feared for their jobs, no other reason.

There is no comparison between LOA 93 and this MOU. None, zero, nil. If you think there is, you are one of the conspiracy theory muckrakers.

 

[Black Swan]

Please post a link for the announcement of the large E195 order, I must have missed that one.

Rumor, read again. I bet it happens.

 

[Black Swan]

Please post a link for the announcement of the large E195 order, I must have missed that one.

[background=transparent]
Do you wonder why Delta, American, and United have suddenly, and seemingly in unison, moved aggressively against the scope clauses of its mainline pilot union contracts? Why has Delta hastily offered up money for its pilots, when the RLA allows them to drag this out for a decade? Why has American declared bankruptcy, with bank accounts that measure in the billions, yet demands no pay cut for its pilots? Why has Jeffery suddenly declared that he wants to get his pilot contract finished, but no progress is being made?[/background][background=transparent]
Nothing of this sort happens by accident or coincidence. There is something behind the effort, and Robert Wall of Aviation Daily tells us exactly what that is.[/background]

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“Embraer Expects Flood Of Large Regional Jet Orders From U.S. Carriers”[/background]​

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That headline is impossible with the current scope clauses at the major network carriers in North America. This is what is behind the recent, coordinated grab for the scope of flying done by mainline US pilots and is nothing short of a declaration of war on the pilot profession.[/background]

 

[Black Swan]

OPERATION ORANGE:
[background=transparent]The mystery is gone as to why many American Airlines pilots are plotting a wildcat. The future of their livelihoods depend on that outsourcing drive being turned away, one way or another.[/background]

[background=transparent][background=transparent]American will place “a huge order” in the next year, Silva says, noting “this will be the driver” for others, including Delta Air Lines—which is ridding its regional feed of many 50-seat jets—to seek more regional jets in the 70-plus size range, which includes Embraer’s E-175 airframe.[/background][/background]​

[background=transparent]That answers the question on where the aircraft are going. Silva tells us that AMR will place “a huge order” within the next year. Silva notes that “this will be the driver” for others (CUH, DAL, and any start-ups) to seek even more 70+ seat Embraer jets.[/background]
[background=transparent]It seems that DALPA’s bid for relevancy, in the face of decertification by DPA, has dire consequences for all mainline pilots – not just the junior pilots at Delta. The erosion of scope at Delta, and the smashing of the APA-AMR pilot contract in mid-June spills over to the rest of us. Delta’s fight is United’s fight; American’s fight is Delta’s fight, and United’s fight is American’s fight.[/background]
[background=transparent]More ominous for AAL pilots is the provision in their new CLA with US Airways that provides an exception for the hard metrics to grow the mainline when the regional feed is upsized. The exception provides that if AMR irrevocably obligates itself to acquire new R-Js prior to the effective date of the US Airways/APA Conditional Labor Agreement, APA pilots have to suck up the disparity by not having any way to obligate US Airways to inflate the mainline accordingly.[/background]
[background=transparent]That is a hole big enough to drive a fleet of 88 seat jets through. The wording of the CLA prevents AAL pilots from having the ability to block such an instance. How much will Horton get in his golden parachute for buying a bunch of Silva’s jets prior to the effective date of transfer to US Airways?[/background]

 

[dca319]

Amazing coincidence that bid right after the MOU, and then followed by an E 195 order of a pretty large magnitude.

To what order are you referring?