Delays/cancellations On The Climb

[Bob Owens]

  If NW wins, it would be a victory for the "strength in numbers" line of thought.

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Not really, it will be a win for NW but it will prove nothing for "strength in numbers" since that has yet to be tested.

The only thing that would be proven is that skill was not enough, to say numbers is more effective than skill from an AMFA loss is deeply flawed.

Its like two boxers saying they can beat the heavyweight champion, the first one goes and loses, that does not mean that the second one would beat him, nor does it mean that if they went at the same time they could beat him, all it proves is that boxer could not beat him.

 

[aafsc]

Not really, it will be a win for NW but it will prove nothing for "strength in numbers" since that has yet to be tested.

The only thing that would be proven is that skill was not enough, to say numbers is more effective than skill from an AMFA loss is deeply flawed.

Its like two boxers saying they can beat the heavyweight champion, the first one goes and loses, that does not mean that the second one would beat him, nor does it mean that if they went at the same time they could beat him, all it proves is that boxer could not beat him.

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Bob, strength in numbers was tested under fire at EAL. And EAL perished.

 

[AP Tech]

But they made a point and protected the industy for the following 12 or so years. It was time for someone to take a stand again, U mechanics tried but were foiled by the IAM and the thought of losing dues!

Time will tell who the winner is, if any at all. Completetion ratio is 96% today down a point or two. As the MEL's begin to expire that number will begin to fall. Pilots will fly junk only so long.

 

[keeptheodds]

The MEL count keep rising, guess you are not quite as good as you thought!

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Yes the MEL was rising but I think it should stabilize now. We are slowly getting them worked off. Do keep in mind that we had nothing to work with here. we have spent better than a thousand man hours reorganizing this place. Parts were hidden put in the wrong bins or flat out thrown away. Once the inventory is back in place Mel's will be brought back down to normal.

 

[aafsc]

But they made a point and protected the industy for the following 12 or so years. It was time for someone to take a stand again, U mechanics tried but were foiled by the IAM and the thought of losing dues!

Time will tell who the winner is, if any at all. Completetion ratio is 96% today down a point or two. As the MEL's begin to expire that number will begin to fall. Pilots will fly junk only so long.

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If the condition of the EAL aircraft after EAL's shutdown are any indication, NW's planes will indeed be junk.

 

[AP Tech]

Good Luck and I hope safety prevails!! Been through the strike thing before, read all the company rheotric about the OT Perf and the MTC delays and how they were minimal. Lots of pressure was put on the supervisors to "move metal" whether right or not. When it ended and people returned to work it was amazing the shape the fleet was in!!! Took weeks to get the problems cleared up!! Planes were loaded with MEL's and all workload that could be was deferred to a later date. As for oversight by the Feds, well there is just not enough of them to go around. Only positive thing was no accidents happened during the strike.

 

[Bob Owens]

Good Luck and I hope safety prevails!! Been through the strike thing before, read all the company rheotric about the OT Perf and the MTC delays and how they were minimal. Lots of pressure was put on the supervisors to "move metal" whether right or not. When it ended and people returned to work it was amazing the shape the fleet was in!!! Took weeks to get the problems cleared up!! Planes were loaded with MEL's and all workload that could be was deferred to a later date. As for oversight by the Feds, well there is just not enough of them to go around. Only positive thing was no accidents happened during the strike.

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In order to get the job at the FAA you pretty much need to have come from management means that even if they are there they are not going to break balls.

When I questioned a maintenance policy issue with the FAA the FAA called me into the manager of maintenances office to "talk" about it. I didnt care but a lot of people I know would never call anything to the FAA even if the wing was about to fall off after a stunt like that.

 

[Saturdaynite]

alot more cards???? who needs more cards when you hold 5 aces already.

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Let me see, 5 aces ??????/

nwa trained 1500? Flight Attendant scabs to take the place of 10,498 ???.
Sure they can keep flying !
And that 1500 number includes their short term training of "managers".
So, who will be the managers ????????? When the current "management team" has to put on their pretty little skirt to fly to MNT ? 🙂🙂

Did not anyone ever tell you, Do "NOT" count your money, while still sitting at the table ??

SN

 

[Skymess]

Now it's for sure you are a troll. Or you're a scab wannabe.

If you're a replacement worker (scab), why aren't you ever at work?

Yes the MEL was rising but I think it should stabilize now. We are slowly getting them worked off. Do keep in mind that we had nothing to work with here. we have spent better than a thousand man hours reorganizing this place. Parts were hidden put in the wrong bins or flat out thrown away. Once the inventory is back in place Mel's will be brought back down to normal.

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[keeptheodds]

Now it's for sure you are a troll. Or you're a scab wannabe.

If you're a replacement worker (scab), why aren't you ever at work?

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Skymess did you shet on the floor. keep up jack I dont have time to educate you read all the posts. not just the ones yu want.

 

[Bob Owens]

Bob, strength in numbers was tested under fire at EAL. And EAL perished.

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Well as far as the IAMs version of "strength in numbers" that was also tested at Continental, without the aid of the pilots skill, and they failed. Now for the TWU at AA, it has not been tested since 1969. Anything not tested in such a long period of time is not likely to ever fire off.

Now lets look at where skill prevailed.

198? Ozark mechanics strike-the mechanics prevailed.

1985? UAL Pilots strike- the pilots prevailed.

1997? NWA Pilots strike- the pilots prevailed

2000 UAL pilots job action-pilots prevail and gain the largest increases ever.

2001 AMFA NWA negotiations- mechanics get highest increases ever.

Mechanics and pilots saw the biggest increases of all work groups, other workers saw increases but on a much lower scale. Was that due to the growth of the airlines and the inability to attract replacements with skils? Yes.


There is no doubt that the higher the number the better the odds of a successful strike, but the availability of replacements is not constant. Some workers with specialized skills are harder to replace so that effectively does what the higher numbers does. Obviously if those with specialized skills join forces with those with great number both will benifit however that does not mean that they must agree to let the larger group determine the worth of the skilled group.


Where exactly do you stand? I get mixed messages from your posts. You attack AMFA at any given chance but then attack the scabs too. Are your feelings toward AMFA so hateful that you want to see them fail just to prove you right, even if you know that a failure there will more than likely lead to more concessions from you? I can tell you this, if the IAM were the ones striking at NWA I would be just as supportive of them as I am of AMFA and was when it looked like the Flight Attendants at USAIR and UAL were going to take a stand.

 

[jergee]

NWA did pretty well today, probably the best of the four strike days so far. Still many delays and around 4% cancellation rate.

How long will this game go on?

 

[keeptheodds]

alot more cards???? who needs more cards when you hold 5 aces already.

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They are ready to settle on an individual basis with the mechanics AMFA is history.