Dell Computer And Customer "support"

jimntx

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I wasted over 3 hours this afternoon attempting to purchase a reconditioned computer from Dell's outlet website. (Some fabulous deals IF you can get the website to work.) I "chatted" online with Customer "Care" in India. They evidently have a script and a list of every possible question that could ever be asked and a standard answer to those questions. My question was not on the list; so after much chatting back and forth in the following form, they simply disconnected and refused to continue with the "chat." I have also included the letter I sent to Michael Dell this afternoon. I'm sure it will be ignored, but it made me feel better to write it. :angry: :p

Chat with India:

Me: When I get my order the way I want it, I can't "checkout". There is no way to provide payment and shipping information.
Dell Customer "Care": Click on the Checkout Button.
Me: There is no checkout button on the screen.
Dell Customer Care: You must click on the Checkout Button in order to complete the order.
Me: There is no checkout button on the screen.

And so on and so forth. There was a lot more conversation about the speakers I ordered...from them, not from me because I didn't order any speakers. I already have speakers. I tried telling them that, but they were insistent about the speakers; so, I just gave it up because I knew there were no speakers on the order.

The letter to Michael Dell:

Michael Dell, Chairman
Dell Inc.
One Dell Way
Round Rock, TX 78682

Dear Mr. Dell:

Though I am sure this letter will be ignored, I feel that I must write it. I spent over 20 years in the computer industry as a consultant. However, I am writing today as a customer. Or, perhaps I should say, soon to be former customer.

Your customer service and support has gone down the tubes since being outsourced to India. I wasted over 3 hours today attempting to order a computer from your Outlet website. Part of that time was spent most unproductively in an online “chat†with your alleged Customer Support group in India.

“Nadia†was obviously working from a script and only had a limited number of answers to give—none of which happened to fit the question I was asking. Finally, “Nadia†put her supervisor, “Alexâ€, on-line. Though he was somewhat better, when I got to the (evidently) killer question of how do I checkout and pay for the computer, he told me to click the checkout button and fill in the information asked for. When I told him that there was no checkout button on the screen--I looked carefully up and down and sideways several times—“Alex†simply logged off. Well, I can’t swear that he logged off, but when I informed him of the absence of the checkout button, I got no further response.

Your company has developed the attitude over the past few years that you know all the questions that can be asked before they are asked and you have all the answers your customer will ever need. When someone asks a question that does not appear on the “listâ€, your “employees†simply hang up.

There is an evident “bug†in the outlet website which prevents the checkout button from displaying, but there is no one with which to address this issue. Your employees take the attitude that if it “appears†to be working on their end, there is no problem.

As this is not the first time I have encountered this problem when dealing with Dell “supportâ€, most likely I shall be buying my next computer from one of your competitors.

Yours truly,
 
You can also buy from Dell by calling 800-915-3355 or 877-883-3355. You will be connected to a U.S. based sales representative.

P.S. The absence of the Checkout button may be due to the security settings on your computer, especially if you use the ZoneAlarm firewall.
 
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TWAnr said:
You can also buy from Dell by calling 800-915-3355 or 877-883-3355. You will be connected to a U.S. based sales representative.

P.S. The absence of the Checkout button may be due to the security settings on your computer, especially if you use the ZoneAlarm firewall.
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No, you can't. Purchases from the outlet can only be made on-line. Call the 877-833-3355 and as you wander through the selection menus, you will eventually get the message that outlet sales are only via the Internet. If you get a live person on the line (in India, of course), the first thing they ask you is your order number. When you tell them you don't have one yet, you are trying to get one, they hang up on you.


I don't use ZoneAlarm, but I will play with the security settings to see if that helps. Thanks for the tip. I certainly would never have gotten that info from Dell's Customer (non-)Support.
 
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Update: I disabled my McAfee Personal Firewall and reduced Internet Security level to Low. Still no Checkout button. Oh, well.
 
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I know that none of you will be able to sleep nights until this gets resolved, so...

I went to hpshopping.com and bought a Compaq Presario with 512K(?) ram, 80gb hard drive, CEL-2400 processor, CDRW/DVD, all kinds of software included, and free shipping for $700.00 total.

The fact that I paid over $3000 for my current Dell--128k ram, 20gb HD, PentiumIII chip--through an employee discount purchase program just 4 years ago, is a rant for another time.

Just FYI, I have a friend who is an upper-level manager at HP (nee Compaq in Houston). He told me yesterday that the day is coming fairly soon that PCs will be as disposable as automatic coffee makers. It will be cheaper to buy another one than repair the one you've got. Just what we need. More non-biodegradable stuff in the landfills!
 
this whole dell thing reminds me of the mid 90's when TQM and all that 6-sigma japenese are going to rule the world crap was all the rage. Now it's all about how wonderful dell is and how perfect the "JIT" model is. I'm not a Dell basher (I'm writting from one), but I think they have peaked. I'm personally tired of motherboards with soldiered AGP ports, 'differant' processor pin configurations and power connections that are changed just enought that if you attempt to replace a Dell motherboard with an aftermarket one, it'll fry it.
 
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Update! Update! Update!

I wandered around the Dell.com website until I found a hot button for reporting website problems. I clicked on it and after wading through a whole page of warnings--DO NOT USE THIS PAGE IF YOU HAVE A SALES ISSUE. DO NOT USE THIS PAGE IF YOU HAVE A TECHNICAL PROBLEM WITH YOUR COMPUTER. DO NOT USE THIS PAGE IF YOU WANT TO CHECK ON YOUR CURRENT ORDER-I sent them an email relating the problem of the missing checkout button.

(Now, if you haven't figured out by now, Dell.com uses the same shopping construct that most shopping websites use--i.e., the analogy is a grocery store or Wal-Mart, etc. and you are wandering around filling up your cart.)

Their response to me--cross my heart and hope to die--regarding the absence of the checkout button was, and I quote, "You must click the Add to Cart button when you are ready to complete your purchase." :shock:

I ask you. How many of you when shopping at the grocery store/Wal-Mart/anywhere else and decide you want to pay for your purchases and leave, think to yourself, "I need to add something to my cart?"

I replied that I would love to hear their explanation of how "Add to Cart" was in anyway, shape, form or fashion intuitively equivalent to Pay for your purchase and arrange for shipping. I also included the information that I had already purchased a computer from hpshopping.com and suggested they might want to visit that website for some ideas on how a shopping website should look and feel.

Their response was "We regret your decision not to buy from Dell. All our customers are important to us. We will pass on your comments to the appropriate department." English translation: "Yada, yada, yada. We don't care."

Busdriver is closer to the truth than even he might realize. I was in the computer field at the time Dell and Compaq exploded upon the scene. They did not succeed as spectacularly as they did because they built a better personal computer than IBM, or cheaper, or faster, or more reliable (in fact, some of their early models were decidedly less reliable than an IBM PC). They succeeded and ran IBM out of the PC market because of their customer service. By the late 80's IBM had developed the mature industry idea that if you wanted a business computer you had to buy it from them; so why should they care whether you were happy with them or not. IBM thought that because all the major companies bought their mainframe computers from IBM, they would automatically buy their PCs from them as well. I know that my IBM rep at Texaco acted like my group had committed treason against king and country because we decided to buy Compaq computers for the desktop.

Now that Michael Dell has made his billions, I guess he is thinking that if you want a good PC you have to buy it from me; so, who cares if you are happy.
 
One thing I have noticed in general, is that customer service doesnt exist anymore, anywhere. When I was growing up It did. Of course, I live in New Jersey, so your results may vary a bit from mine. :D
 
jimntx,

Ooohhhh, No one suffers as you do! :p

I'm beginning to believe customer service is becoming a memory from a by-gone era. I was having a problem with my ISP and couldn't get a live human, just this computer voice asking me to answer from a list of questions that had nothing to do with my problem. Several times the voice told me that I would be connected to a service specialist and then hung up on me!

Finally I was connected to a live human, who was both helpful and polite. Even spoke English, I was so happy! While my 'puter was rebooting we chatted a bit. Turns out he's a "downsized" guy from a major American corporation.


Thanks for the update. I'm sure I will sleep better tonight.

Dea
 
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