DELTA PILOT GETS IT

[nostradamus]

And, Mr. Pot?

The east doesn't even get crew meals anymore. What are they leading with LOA93?

Oh, sorry. A crew meal is food the pilots get from catering. We eat it on the airplane.

I am squatting to prepare a crew meal for you, right now!

 

[Junebug172]

I am squatting to prepare a crew meal for you, right now!

Mmmmm, sounds like its going to be a hot crew meal.

I was getting tired of salads.

Gracias.

Nostradumas, the Gate Gourmet!

 

[nostradamus]

Mmmmm, sounds like its going to be a hot crew meal.

I was getting tired of salads.

Gracias.

Nostradumas, the Gate Gourmet!

I was concerned about your ability to have a sense of humor, not any more. Very witty and gracious, thank you. I mean it, good comeback.

 

[AWA320]

AWA320,

If your attitude persists, and this is the attitude of the majority of the AWA pilots, then lI believe it is in the best interests of all parties to stop wasting the company's and each others time. Your group continues to thumb your nose at ALPA International, the EC, the Rice Committee, and the US Airways pilots.

Would it not be best to get rid of the angst, move on, and stop any West notion that there will ever be a joint contract because it is not going to happen.

The only way the AWA MEC will get their pilots a pay raise is to move on to Section 6 negotiations, thus, go or it!

Meanwhile, the East pilots could seek to negotiate an "equal pay for equal work agreement" or a "separate contract with separate operrations" or the majority of the East pilots may just continue their 3-engine taxi and work safely program, which could contribute to burning the company to the ground.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

Ok this just begs the question. How did you come up with any attitude what so ever on my part when I was very clear at the start that I had no commentary on this subject??

I will answer your question though. We have no reason to even participate in the Rice committee as no where in th policy does it state that after an arbitration the union will put together a panel to see if one side will slit their throats to bail alpa out of the mess they created. There will be NO seperate contracts or seperate OPS and come Sept 25 the east will be in for a rude awakening my friend as all are growing extremely tired of your games!!! Now for Paul Rice or anyone even suggesting seperate ops they need to really read and understand the transition agreement. JOINT OPS is waht it says...

 

[Junebug172]

I was concerned about your ability to have a sense of humor, not any more. Very witty and gracious, thank you. I mean it, good comeback.

Come on now. You have to have a sense of humor on these boards.

You'd shoot yourself otherwise.

Anyway, keep'em coming because I sure will.

P.S. You're still a wanna-be!

Nostradamus the pilot groupie!!!

 

[nostradamus]

Come on now. You have to have a sense of humor on these boards.

You'd shoot yourself otherwise.

Anyway, keep'em coming because I sure will.

P.S. You're still a wanna-be!

Nostradamus the pilot groupie!!!

I have some recipes I would like you to try when we meet in court. See you then.

 

[AWA320]

UWCactus,

Nobody likes this situation, but the reality is the vast majority of the East pilots believe ALPA Merger Policy was not followed. For example, the East pilots have a 19-year pilot with continuous service now junior to an AWA pilot who had 3 months of service, was on probation with the Company, and was an ALPA apprentice member at the time of the merger. Or there is an East pilot who has 20 years of continuous service whose pre-merger career expectation was to fly the A330 and retire number 41 on the seniority list. If the Nicolau Award is implemented this pilot will retire over 700 on the seniority list and never seen a widebody.

These two pilots will see an enormous economic loss of the Nicolau Award is implemented and will be better off economically if they live under LOA 93 and keep the two pilot groups separate for at least a decade.

Thus, the majority of the East pilots believe these type of situations violate and invalidate ALPA Merger Policy. And, for the F/A's they will likely not see a contract improvement until the Nicolau Award/Pilot contract issue is resolved because F/A negotiations always follow the pilots.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

As usual you distort the facts and leave out the most important aspects. Now like I have said before you easties seem to have a problem realizing the difference between seniority and longetivity!! Now your 19 yr continuious service pilot had maybe 100 people below him at the time of announcement and on the west side a pilot with 4 mos of sevice at AWA had that some amount of people below him/her. Now that's relative seniority, thus policy was followed.

Now let me clue you in to something else, DOH is no longer merger policy,I say again DOH IS NO LONGER MERGER POLICY do you get it yet??

Sept 25th is just around the corner then look out my friend...

 

[Junebug172]

I have some recipes I would like you to try when we meet in court. See you then.

I'll close my eyes and you can feed them to me one by one.

Nostradamus feeding Junebug172

 

[AWA320]

I am squatting to prepare a crew meal for you, right now!

Real intelligent there Nos!!! You are starting to turn into a real sick individual :down:

 

[Junebug172]

Real intelligent there Nos!!! You are starting to turn into a real sick individual :down:

Oh come on. You have to admit that it would be better than some of the stuff we get.

 

[AWA320]

Oh come on. You have to admit that it would be better than some of the stuff we get.

I know JB however from someone who quotes many intelligent individuals from the past I expected a little more from nos than that.

 

[767jetz]

And the reason why is.....Date of Hire is not being used to intergrate the pilot's senority list. Most pilots(industry wide) think Date of Hire is the most reasonable method to intergrate the senority lists.

Really? That's not what the UAL, DAL, CAL, or NWA MEC's are saying.

These pilots you spoke to must be begging for a free ride and feeding you what you want to hear so they can get home.

 

[exB717Flyer]

And the reason why is.....Date of Hire is not being used to intergrate the pilot's senority list. Most pilots(industry wide) think Date of Hire is the most reasonable method to intergrate the senority lists. I have to agree.

Right. And lemme guess: a DOH integration of your airline with just about any other would work nicely to your advantage? You presume that a pre-determined integration policy is more fair than a process that considers the vagaries of each individual merger. In this case, a DOH integration staples 2/3 of the AWA pilots behind USAirways guys. You cannot write with a straight face that that's a fair and equitable integration that takes into account pre-merger career expecations. But don't take my word for it. An impartial arbitrator was empowered by both sides to make that judgement. The current problems come from only one side which didn't get what they expected. And they're now making a mockery of the process they agreed to abide by trying to muscle their way to an integration that benefits them more. And YOU are giving them encouragement. Like I said, methinks DOH would benefit you nicely in any future merger.

I think ALPA screwed up in a major way when they changed the language in the By Laws when came to Mergers.

And I think you're wrong. Ain't democracy great?

And just to let you know....I have read the "Award". And in my opinion, it is based on suppossion and rumor. for one think it was drawn up by a first year law student/clerk that was working for Nick.

Funny, but before Nic handed down his ruling nobody had any complaint about his qualifications. Do a google search on him and see for yourself why Nic is only one of a few people in the country qualified to decide an integration such as AWA/USAir. You're entitled to disagree with his logic but since you have nowhere near his qualifications your opinion carries as much weight as does mine: next to zero.

 

[EastUS]

This unedited and I have NO COMMENTARY, it is very compelling though!!!

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ALPA has no merger policy. At least not one that anybody will ever respect again.

Yup.."a very compelling thought" indeed.

 

[PHLfa88]

Why Do Most Of The Pilots On The West Side Think They Are SOOO Great? Do They Not Realize That They Are Disposable? Here Is The Latest Rumor I Heard...United and USAirways East Merge and US West Sold Off TO The Lowest Bidder...Because They Are Losing Money For This Company Hand Over Fist!! How Many Quarters Now Has The West Side Been Losing Money For This Company? :unsure: