What's new

Delta Starting to Challenge SWA in Atlanta?

Gentlemen, What a fine way to show a Newbie how this Forum operates. May I suggest you both take it to a Private chat or some other means of communicating? I respect both of you and your opinions but this banter is a tad much IMO.

No thanks -- WT's banned from sending me PMs after making threats in private and playing the upstanding fine Southern gentlemen in public.

Oh, and talk about timing....

WT's argument about "Trip in Vain" seems to have been a "Tizzy in Vain"

see it debunked once and for all at http://airlineforums.com/topic/50566-delta-doesnt-care-about-small-businessmen/page__view__findpost__p__797027
 
My mistake I forgot you qualify everything to make your point, and put Delta in the best possible light.

When you said Delta has never run from a hub I wrongly assumed you were saying Delta never ran from a hub. When what you were doing was trying to say was, why yes Delta has run from a hub before, just not in the small context you created to paint Delta in the best possible light.
Mikey,
I have no problem with admitting I am wrong... but you also are trying desperately to distort what I said in an attempt to make me look bad. Since you cut out part of the sentence I wrote which contained the qualifiers I inserted, let me cut and paste the entire PARAGRAPH so that you and the world can see what I actually wrote.

History shows that DL has never given up a hub – other than MCO if you call it a DL hub (DL did at one time) to a low cost carrier… to a low cost carrier - yet DL is still the largest network carrier in Florida. In SLC, DL and WN have maintained the same market share for years – and WN has about the same domestic market share in SLC that FL has had in ATL.
The qualifier "low cost carrier" was apparently so significant that I repeated it....

Given that the context of the conversation is about a low cost carrier and DL, it is perfectly plausible to focus the discussion on low cost carriers... nor did I attempt to say that any comparison wasn't valid for either DL or another airline. UA used to have at least a mini-hub or focus city in CLE but gave it up. AA and DL each had decent sized presences at both ORD and CVG; AA gave up CVG and DL gave up ORD and has subsequently further reduced CVG in favor of DTW, where I believe AA used to be alot stronger than it is now... while DL's DFW hub was one of the larger network closures since deregulation, it was certainly not the only one. And DL made it clear that it was closing DFW in order to focus on NYC where it has surpassed AA, esp. at JFK where NW had a very limited presence at the time of the DL-NW merger.
.
As you well know, each of the network carriers have slowly pulled down a number of focus cities and hubs as they have built up other hubs. E made the statement in the past couple weeks when I raised the issue of how AA has managed to close FIVE hubs since deregulation that AA closed at least two hubs to focus on MIA which has been the single most successful hub buildup in AA's history. I can agree with that part... I just don't buy that it took pulling down five hubs in order to allow AA to grow MIA... essentially returning AA to the same domestic network structure it had shortly after deregulation.
.
So, yes, DL pulled down DFW but not only was the qualification I made clear in the ENTIRE sentence I wrote but also in the logic and context of the topic which was being discussed.
.
I appreciate your interest in the top of WN and DL at ATL and welcome any other comments you have that could extend to network vs. low fare carrier competition....
 
Thanks for the very "informative" discussion. It was interesting to say the least. Back to the topic at hand...it seems like Delta was not targeting Atlanta per se, but was targeting former flyers who have not flown regularly in the past year or so. I fall into that category, so I guess that is why I got one of these notices. My current job has me driving in the Southeast versus doing a lot of flying.
 
Thanks for the very "informative" discussion. It was interesting to say the least. Back to the topic at hand...it seems like Delta was not targeting Atlanta per se, but was targeting former flyers who have not flown regularly in the past year or so. I fall into that category, so I guess that is why I got one of these notices. My current job has me driving in the Southeast versus doing a lot of flying.
so glad you came back.
.
You aren't another undercover/plainclothes EOlesen are you? 🙂
.
Take advantage of DL's bennies if they make sense to you... the money is yours.. make the right decision based on your needs.
.
If DL sweetened the pot enough to make it worth your while, take it. If not, keep on keeping on with what you do best.
 
so glad you came back.
.
You aren't another undercover/plainclothes EOlesen are you? 🙂
.
Take advantage of DL's bennies if they make sense to you... the money is yours.. make the right decision based on your needs.
.
If DL sweetened the pot enough to make it worth your while, take it. If not, keep on keeping on with what you do best.

Thanks for the Welcome Back. No, I am not any undercover person that i know of...except at times my wife can not figure me out :unsure:

As far as travels go, my travel of choice is definitely Delta and Amtrak when I can. I used to live in South Florida and took Amtrak at times to the NE on business. Very relaxing stress free way to go at times. Otherwise when I travel it is Delta. Lately getting around the Southeast has been mainly by car as in a lot of cases it really is faster a lot of the time.

Like I mentioned, I can see why Delta is targeting people like me. In my case it will not change my methods of travel, but I am sure for a lot of people it will. Still I think it is a good promotion, and hopefully it will fulfill it's purpose and be a win-win for Delta and the customer.
 
wow... 2 million miles is a bit more than just an occassional trip....
I think during the last gas crisis it came out that the usual 5-6 hr drive rule (below which it wasn't usually worth flying) was shortened because airfares didn't go up as much as gas prices did.... not sure if that is true this time but will be curious if your flying patterns change either because of gas prices or the promotion.
Obviously, part of what DL needs to do to offset the extra longhaul capacity it will be adding to Atlanta as part of its process to defend its hometown is to increase the amount of short-haul passengers within the SE and up and down the east coast since that is what helps feed the long haul flights.
.
At any rate, check back in here often.... 🙂
 
YIKES! I'm going back to nice mellow pilots discussion over at US Airways. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Back
Top