Delta Supports US AA Merger?

[wings396]

What on earth does them surviving the merger have to do with US-AA surviving? As I have pointed out both were in crisis with no identity.

Sorry, US just makes the AA fleet older, too diverse (see MUCH HIGHER maintenance costs), derails any and all planned service upgrades and destroys a brand (sorry, even DP knows AA is a stronger brand). Finally, UA/CO may have survived, but their service issues have driven countless of their top tier FF to switch to AA EXP program. So that merger has not gone as well as some would like to argue.

Bottom line, US has been thru 2 bankruptcies and needs AA more than AA needs US, that is of course unless half of the US fleet is grounded, half her employees are let go and basically AA just takes over.

Cheers,
777 / 767 / 757

Makes the fleet older, you may want to review your notes on that one. A diverse more expensive fleet, such as the one that AA will have with a mix of Airbus & Boeing anyway? I have to admit, your lack of knowledge is glowing tonight....
Oh, that's right, a family member of yours worked for AA, so that practically makes you an insider.

 

[johnny kat]

777love,

US has one of the youngest fleets in the air. US is posting record profits in spite of the problems. The employees at US are some of the finest if not THE finest.

It is you sir that needs to get the facts straight. The employees at US have seen this all before with the FFs. A merger happens a few coat tails are ruffled and switch to a competitor only to realize the grass isn't greener. Then it's welcome back Cotter, now sit your A## down and fasten your seat belt. You FF's are all the same with the status BS.

 

[700UW]

So you think you an expert as a passenger? lol.

And US' fleet is younger than AAs.

Dont let the facts get in your way.

 

[737823]

So you think you an expert as a passenger? lol.

And US' fleet is younger than AAs.

Dont let the facts get in your way.

Guess you didn't see AA has 460 narrowbody jets on order along with 16 777-300ERs and plans to acquire at least 42 787-9 aircraft. In five years AA will have the youngest fleet among US carriers. Don't let the facts get in YOUR way.

And you've been separated from USAir since 2005 as you have posted before, so why are you coming on here like an expert when you are proven wrong by people?

Josh

 

[wings396]

What you have on order doesn't factor into your average fleet age period. AA won't get all of those new ac at once, and the ac currently in the fleet that are considered new, will be aged by the time the big orders arrive. Once US removes the remainder of the 737 and 767 fleet, I'm certain their average fleet age will be on par with AA's.

 

[737823]

What you have on order doesn't factor into your average fleet age period. AA won't get all of those new ac at once, and the ac currently in the fleet that are considered new, will be aged by the time the big orders arrive. Once US removes the remainder of the 737 and 767 fleet, I'm certain their average fleet age will be on par with AA's.

Couldn't the same be said of USAir then? They have a handful of 330s and 350-8s on order and a few more 320 family aircraft. And many of the A320 family aircraft are from 1998 (starting with N700UW) and some are already 14 years old today-older than some of AA's MD-80s and 757s.

Josh

 

[robbedagain]

JOSH THE 757S AND THE MD 80S ARE ACTUALLY OLDER THAN THE AIRBUS AIRCRAFT
SOME OF THE 757S THAT US HAD WERE EASTERN AIRLINES I DONT THINK WE HAVE THEM ANYMORE BUT SOMEONE ELSE CAN BETTER TELL

 

[737823]

JOSH THE 757S AND THE MD 80S ARE ACTUALLY OLDER THAN THE AIRBUS AIRCRAFT
SOME OF THE 757S THAT US HAD WERE EASTERN AIRLINES I DONT THINK WE HAVE THEM ANYMORE BUT SOMEONE ELSE CAN BETTER TELL

Not all of them. AA (TWA) received MDs as late as 2001 and 757s as late as 2002 those are facts.

Josh

 

[700UW]

AA's average fleet age is 14.9 years.

http://www.airfleets...an Airlines.htm

US' average fleet age is 12.6 years.

http://www.airfleets.../US Airways.htm

Now those are facts.

AA's 757's average age is 17.6 years.

AA's MD80s average age is 20.8 years.

 

[wings396]

Couldn't the same be said of USAir then? They have a handful of 330s and 350-8s on order and a few more 320 family aircraft. And many of the A320 family aircraft are from 1998 (starting with N700UW) and some are already 14 years old today-older than some of AA's MD-80s and 757s.

Josh

Sure it could. I was responding the the other posters claim about US having an old mixed fleet in comparison to AA's much newer fleet, which is not accurate. I believe that their respective average fleet ages will be inline with each other. His BS was nothing more than an attempt to make the US fleet look inferior to AA in terms of age.

 

[777 / 767 / 757 Love]

Makes the fleet older, you may want to review your notes on that one. A diverse more expensive fleet, such as the one that AA will have with a mix of Airbus & Boeing anyway? I have to admit, your lack of knowledge is glowing tonight....
Oh, that's right, a family member of yours worked for AA, so that practically makes you an insider.

Listen, if I was you I would have the same response, as I would want my ass saved by American as well. But since I never attacked anyone, but you figured personal attacks on me are warranted, I will point out your complete ignorance to everyone on these forums:

US Air Fleet: 11 aircraft type
A319
A320
A321
A330-300
A330-200
A350
737-3
737-4
757-2
767-2
E-190

AA Fleet: current
777-200
767-300
767-200
757-200
737-800
Super 80

AA Fleet in 4-5 years:
777-300
777-200
787
737-8
737-9/NEOs
A319
A321

Now, with US air they have more 757s they have to replace, more 767 they have to replace and 330s and 350s that if they loved so much they would have includede in their 500+ aircraft orders, but they didn't. So now they have to figure out how to clean up a messed up fleet that would include the following planes after a merger without some SERIOUS fleet re-confirguration:

777-300
777-200
787
767
757
737-9
737-8
737-4
737-3
A350
A330-3
A330-2
A321
A320
A319
E190


So AA would be right back to where they started-----crippled by an entire fleet with so many different confirgurations and capabilities (not to mention innefficiencies as A330/350 clearly are not the ansswer of the AA's future or they would have picked them over the 787s) that their customers would not know WTF to expect on any given flight. The same BS that drove countless United's Premiere 1K FFs who have moved over to AA.

But hey, without absolutely no conept of what it takes to run a fleet, or any graps of the facts, you made a pretty good argument.

Cheers,
777 / 767 / 757

 

[777 / 767 / 757 Love]

777love,

US has one of the youngest fleets in the air. US is posting record profits in spite of the problems. The employees at US are some of the finest if not THE finest.

It is you sir that needs to get the facts straight. The employees at US have seen this all before with the FFs. A merger happens a few coat tails are ruffled and switch to a competitor only to realize the grass isn't greener. Then it's welcome back Cotter, now sit your A## down and fasten your seat belt. You FF's are all the same with the status BS.

If US air is so great why do you want to merge with AA? EXACTLY.

BTW, your FF program is a complete joke.....name me one rating service by anyone that puts US air above AA, Delta, United, or even Jetblue / Southwest. Please......

Guys like you are so out of touch with reality that your CEO throws your asses under the bus all day long to woo AA employees and you just go on defending him and asking for more. Its like a man who cheats on his wife, and then his wife defends him......LOL. You guys crack me up.....

Cheers,
777 / 767 / 757

 

[wings396]

While we are the topic of ignorance, I guess that you aren't aware that that the 319/20/21 are in the same category for crews etc, as are the 333/332, 767/57. The 737's will be gone in a short time, then we have the EMB-190's. Once the 737's are gone, US will basically have 4 fleet types prior to the arrival of the A350, which may be in the same group as the other Airbus WB.
Not that it matters, but what does DL's fleet mix look like?
I'm not to sure that you have the right airline when you are referring to saving asses, but then again your Uncle WAS a pilot for AA.
Cheers, Lovie....

 

[700UW]

All of the 737s are gone by next year and US is receiving A321s this year and next year and five A330s next year.

The facts speak for themselves, and by the way the court hasnt approved AA's huge purchase of Boeing and Airbus planes.

US doesnt have any A350s, the first plane isnt even put together yet.

The A319, A320 and A321s are considered one fleet type. US only has 24 757s to replace.

US Airways FF ranked above AA's

US ranked #2 and AA ranked 5th.

http://thepointsguy.com/2011/10/my-ranking-of-airline-frequent-flyer-programs/

 

[737823]

Wow that's a new low-using a bloggers subjective opinion as to which FF program is superior in a discussion about fleet age. Guess it didn't occur to you since you don't buy tickets but people choose carriers based on other criteria too.

Josh