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Well let's get back to post. West Goes BOS/PHL/EWR/JFK to PHX/LAS, with NO stops every day and occasionally with holding, headwinds and such. Why the issues with East metal?? :huh: 320s even 319s. Am I/we missing something. 😛h34r:
 
These diversions on the A320 seem to be happening more and more.

If I hear one more person say to me "I'm never flying US Airways again" I am going to scream.

SpinDoc replies:

When unfortunate situations such as this occur, just refer the customers to the customer relations phone number in the back of the inflight magazine. Trust me, if they follow through and complain, they will get a nice discount voucher and will forget their utterances of "never flying US Airways again" because they will have money in their pockets to discount their next trip. It's all about the benjamins and not about their supposedly "bad experience".
 
When unfortunate situations such as this occur, just refer the customers to the customer relations phone number in the back of the inflight magazine. Trust me, if they follow through and complain, they will get a nice discount voucher and will forget their utterances of "never flying US Airways again" because they will have money in their pockets to discount their next trip. It's all about the benjamins and not about their supposedly "bad experience".


so what else is new?????????? How many times has it happened when all goes well, someone biatches just for the sake of a free ***ticket*** 😛h34r:
 
It's just the latest minor issue that they try chisel on. I hear lots of cheers for the QIK interface as it handles a majority of the customer contact issues.
You don't know what you are talking about.


Well, I do know what I am talking about and it doesnt work for our needs as currently set up. Its too unpredictable and part of the problems many East agents have is whether its working today or not. You can do the same entry two or three times before something decides to work right. Many of the agents are starting to question themselves (when they are doing the right entry) because the system isnt reliable. Busy, busy, busy, timeout ring a bell? I'm sure its just me, but I still see that way too often and its holding up the line. Why does it work ok for one entry and then it just stops working? I started on Sat, did one customer transaction and the computer just stopped. Had to sign in to another computer and reboot the other one when things slowed down. Is this considered normal in your world? Do you have to reboot your work computer many times during a day because it just decides to stop doing what you need it to do to get your job done?

The PHX and LAS agents work it because that is what they were taught on and all they know. The US East agents were "taught" to use it in a 2 day class. Many agents used the QIK interface, but over Sabre. Sabre responses are nothing like Shares. So the 2 day class was basically to teach everything that was different between the two. Doesnt work out to spending much time on any one subject. Also many of the East agents were used to doing more than just checking in people without having to call someone (no)help desk to get things done.

Also, there are currently about 150 known and logged problems that they are currently working on. It might handle a "majority" of the customer contact issues, but try working the ticketing line one day and you'll see just how user friendly it really is when you are limited in what you can access and actually get it to work.

If all you are doing is checking in or selling a basic ticket, the QIK interface is wonderful. If you have anything more complicated than that, good luck.

Can you tell me why I couldnt get an 001 plated ticket to reissue? This should be a simple CTRL F8 entry that I can
do in about 2 minutes. It was orig set up TPA-YVR on a direct flight, now needing a reissue for a two coupon ticket. Easy right? Spent about 15 mins trying to reissue, print the ticket, etc. nothing worked, just went thru the entries and then popped up the same etkt and info as before. Finally called the (no)help desk to see what they could do for me. He was even more clueless than I was. Telling me to adjust (which you cant do with an offline plated ticket). Finally as the $1500 FC customer stood there patiently waiting and was about to miss their flight, I told the (no)help desk nevermind I'd take care of it. Pulled out a fim and went to AA to get them to print the ticket for me. Total time spent trying to take care of our FC customer about 30 mins (at the kiosk line). Great customer service again. But what do I know? I'm just a whiner dealing with "minor" issues all day long. Some people REALLY need to come out and work in the real world. If you've been fed the "everything is fine, it's just the East agents are dumb" line, someone's been pulling one on you.

And while we're at it again tonight, when are they going to get our kiosks to work right? Still cant get the large international groups to work (only about half of our afternoon PHL flights customers) and the moveup still isnt working after a month. I'll praise the system and the kiosks WHEN they work as well as we're being told they work.

This is an offer for anyone wanting to come work with me for a couple of days to see what us "whiners" are complaining about first hand. If you dont take me up on the offer, then I dont want to hear another word from anyone about us frontliners complaining. Just keep thinking happy thoughts and everything will be fine. :shock: :down:
 
so what else is new?????????? How many times has it happened when all goes well, someone biatches just for the sake of a free ***ticket*** 😛h34r:

Let's make something crystal clear about your comments. Round trip flight credits are NOT given out to people who complain about bad service. RTFC's are provided to those who are bumped off of flights due to oversales or weight restrictions, PERIOD. Service problems are resolved with discount coupons for use with future paid fares.

It's time to leave the erroneous perceptions to the side and understand how things really work.
 
Thank you Tadjr,
finally someone who tells it like it really is, these people DO NOT realize what is going on with this system... :down:

maybe it works for the west but it is a sh*t system for the east

so I second this post :up:
 
so why is it such a big issue in the east?


It's a big deal in the east because we USED to be able to offer a decent service with the capabilities that SABRE had... That right has been taken away from us...
I think the people in the west are so used to offering substandard low cost service that they just don't realize how bad it is.

Example: I contacted an old HP station to ask the staff to look out for a poor old Polish lady who was on her own and could not speak a word of English, I was going to send her to a ticket counter for an INVOL reissue... The response I got from my own colleagues!! after introducing myself was..... 'This had better be quick' She'll be fine. I was stunned!

I think the west is just used to that kind of atttitude and level of service. I'm sorry, I am not!
 
Spin Doc, what a joke to have customers call the assist desk for a free ticket! Benjamin's as you call it are very far and in between because you can't get through on that number. Secondly, there are triple the amount (150 as you stated) of irregularities for using qik/shares. It is an absolute disgrace and the customers should not have to put up with this and miss their flights on a daily basis. You are definately drunk on the "kool aid", but we welcome your threads because it shows us that it isn't the work force that is f(8!ed up its the manangers. Lets get on to business. How much longer can you and your cronies hide behind this antequated system before you show it unsuccessful and go back to sabre?
I see chapter 7 with this one if this ordeal is not taken care of asap.
 
Let's make something crystal clear about your comments. Round trip flight credits are NOT given out to people who complain about bad service. RTFC's are provided to those who are bumped off of flights due to oversales or weight restrictions, PERIOD. Service problems are resolved with discount coupons for use with future paid fares.

It's time to leave the erroneous perceptions to the side and understand how things really work.


RTFC's were given out in DCA due our operational problems caused by shares. They were given out to misconnects when we were unable to secure them hotel rooms due lateness caused by shares. The HP managers gave away the farm and then some to placate passengers. When will Tempe wake up and see that shares is a failure? Or will their arrogance again stand in the way of doing what they know they should do and return to a real res system instead of keeping this loser?
 
- and why other airlines like CO use it and seem to not have the problems that US east has?

US uses a GUI overlay called "QIK" (should be called "SLO"), not native SHARES. CO does have an overlay, but gives users a choice between the overlay and native; most users use native, especially for more complex transactions.
 
So explain to me why they can use this system in PHX and LAS etc. without any problems - and why other airlines like CO use it and seem to not have the problems that US east has? And of everyone that says it isn't a system for an international carrier - look at CO - they have more flights out of the country than any other airline - go figure!



Ok lets try this one more time...as has been posted here countless times before CO uses a Shares and a different overlay...NOT QIK...QIK is owned by Americas worst..We have a problem with QIK NOT SHARES.....The reason we have a problem on the east is that we knew what a great system SABRE was...They have never known anything else...Sabre has had years to hone its gate functions to exactly what you need to work a flt and nothing else...I could work a full 757 to the carib by myself(and I have) with Sabre now you need at least 3 agts.....

Also look at the difference in operations.....This summer we will have 20 transatlantic flts..Where does the west fly???MExico ...Canada???? do they compare ????You can still travel to Mex by sea without a passport....all you needed last year was an affadavit stating you were a citizen (I have sent counless pax to the notary in Aeast in phl to get one because pax didnt have correct docs)..If you dont sign your passport FRA gives you a hard time...These countries dont play....You dont follow their rules and you a## is back on the same plane back to the US...and we get a 10,000 fine.....That is what the west doesnt understand....We dont even know the exactly who are on our planes because this system is so a##backwards!!!!!


Why is it that when we point out shortcoming in this system the Koolaid drinkers call us whiners?? Why do you take such offense when all we want is to do the best job we can do Did you personally program the system ???
 
Though not a fix for agents and this crappy system we need more agents in the east hubs. PERIOD. How is an agent to navigate around this crappy system and board a flight while assist in driving the jetway, wheelchairs, connection questions, any special assistance for a passenger, checking in passengers for the next flight. I just don't get it. I'm a flight attendant and sometimes are sitting in the gate area looking in disbelief. I mean, how does the company expect you to be in so many places at one time. Now, I most certainly have been in the LAS and PHX hubs only to see more agents around. TWO at the podium at any given gate. Maybe this is not the norm but sure has seemed that way to me. With the way this system operates the gate area simply can't be a one man show. Oh yeah how about installing phones on the jetway with long cords IMMEDIATELY so the crew can contact the agents directly? We don't have THAT out east either.
 
Oh yeah how about installing phones on the jetway with long cords IMMEDIATELY so the crew can contact the agents directly? We don't have THAT out east either.

In the SLO QIK class, agents were told to give a walkie talkie to the F/As so they could call!


Look, SABRE is not ging to come back( Tempe would have to admit its mistake). The best we can hope for is

Short term: giving users the choice of using native SHARES or the horrible QIK overlay. (ala CO)
Long term: Amedeus. (It's a Star Alliance goal to have members standarize on that system)
 
Why is it that when we point out shortcoming in this system the Koolaid drinkers call us whiners?? Why do you take such offense when all we want is to do the best job we can do Did you personally program the system ???

I believe this is exactly why this airline is closer to shutting down now than at any time before.

At this company, if one should whistleblow (a) problem(s), it is a certainty the company will want to interdict you, the whistleblower, not addressing the problem itself and that is a sign the company is under siege and in defense mode. Much of this comes from HR and the "entitled" little pimps that run it. Past time to flush that particular toilet and replace the department with clean leadership.

Passing out discount coupons because you screwed up once is a normal response. Incorporating such behavior because of recurring screwups is just plain stupidity.
 

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