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DL had about 10K people who voted in the ramp election alone.

You STILL can't get past the concept that maintenance doesn't consist just of heavy overhauls.
By DOT data, US outsources almost 60% of its maintenance spend while DL outsources about 40%, again the lowest level of any US airline other than AA.
Those are the facts, as much as you try to avoid facing them.
Your union has saved a handful of jobs in one area of maintenance only to outsource more than your peers elsewhere.

DL also insources more maintenance work than any other airline in the western hemisphere, making its net outsourcing lower than any other US airline. Period.

Please tell me the dollar value of insourced maintenance work at US.
 
The majority of the work DL is components, not checks, checks is where the headcount is, not the back shops.

I guess you dont understand US and its CBA, the heavy checks can only be outsourced at 50% of billable hours, components and engines are not in the count.

Come to PIT and CLT and see over half the fleet is overhauled in-house, you cant say the same about Delta now can you?

US doesnt in-source Heavy, as they are too busy with their own planes.
 
If only Silver Meteor and Spectator were close by we could have a Delta family love fest and reunion...

See you in the lounge car for this reunion in a couple of weeks on the Silver Meteor. Will be going from Deerfield Beach, FL to Penn Station, NYC.

BTW...a cousin of mine who is in maintance at UA, along with a cousin of mine who is a pilot at US, and another cousin of mine who is a senior pilot at AA, who lately has been flying mainly to Asia will be with me in NYC...as we are all heading to a family reunion in Ridgefield, CT. They all have opinions on what is going on at their respective airlines.
 
The majority of the work DL is components, not checks, checks is where the headcount is, not the back shops.

I guess you dont understand US and its CBA, the heavy checks can only be outsourced at 50% of billable hours, components and engines are not in the count.

Come to PIT and CLT and see over half the fleet is overhauled in-house, you cant say the same about Delta now can you?

US doesnt in-source Heavy, as they are too busy with their own planes.
And while you continue to cling to the narrow definition of what is outsourced and what is not, DL continues to earn a half of a billion dollars per year in work from other carriers who pay DL to do maintenance for them.

Apparently you and a few other people somehow think that there is something sacred about overhauls that doesn't exist for other types of maintenance but jobs are jobs.
The simple fact is that of its ENTIRE maintenance budget, 41% is outsourced to other companies, including the $200M or so every year for the past several years that has been spent on upgrading the cabins of its international fleet so those planes can continue to fly for DL.
While US keeps half of its overhaul inhouse, they OUTSOURCE more than 70% of the rest of their maintenance spend, because that is what the math works out to if they keep 50% of their overhauls inhouse and end up with a total of 60% of dollars going out the door.

You congratulate those overhaul mechanics at the same time you explain to the ones on the street why their union signed a CBA with the company that gave them the power to outsource more than 2/3 of the work they did.
I'm sure they will be very grateful.

You do realize that DL receives more than half of the revenue from insourced maintenance that US spends on TOTAL maintenance? US' entire maintenance budget is about $700M per year compared to $500M that DL receives in insourced revenue. You might want to be a little more careful about how quickly you dismiss the amount of work that DL receives for its mechanics to do from other airlines.

You truly didn't believe that DL had fewer ramp employees than US, did you?

Silver,
say hi to all of those cousins.
As much as anyone here would like to argue otherwise, DL has been the most strategically focused US airline and has been able to see where the industry is going faster than others and reposition DL to prosper. At the same time that DL has brought jobs back to DL employees, DL's competitors have been outsourcing more, missing major strategic opportunities, and failing to address the financial issues that not only have to be addressed to secure the future of the company on Wall Street, but also for its employees.

The fact that DL went into the summer with a CASM advantage over every other network airline except for US which had a 1% CASM advantage - and that was before US started paying the costs of its merger integration CBAs - speaks volumes about DL's ability to do what is necessary to win.
And they are still able to do all that - including building DL's presence on the west coast - while ensuring DL employees fare as well or better than employees of their network carrier peers.
 
You ever been to a party when up walks 'that' guy to your group to enter the conversation? Next thing you know, all around roll their eyes, look at their watches and sulk away?
 
I'm glad you want to join the conversation but if there is any expectation that anyone is entitled to push an alternative reality, then they will probably be disappointed.

The labor relations issues that seem to be the interest of a select view group of people on here do not reflect the reality of the majority of DL employees.

I'm sorry if anyone here thought that they could push an agenda without considering the reality of what is happening elsewhere at other airlines or in the US economy as a whole - or by attempting to rewrite standard definitions of outsourcing.

I have called it like it is with other airlines and I'm not sure why you think the standard should be any different for DL.

I am glad that there has been a little bit more activity on the DL forum of late but being inaccurate or one sided about the topics that are being discussed is not a price worth paying.
 
If life requires breaking into cliques to support ideas that can't be supported if spoken to a full audience, then you probably will be disappointed with what happens.

If you believe in and can be a fan of ideas about which you can cogently support regardless of who is in the circle, then you will have no problem in whatever venues you choose to circulate.

This forum is a venue for the exchange of ideas; the validity of every idea will be tested.... and that perhaps is precisely the problem to some people.

If the intention is to socialize, then the rules become very different. Let's not confuse the purpose of this forum.

I'm truly sorry if there are very different expectations about what this board is for; I am happy to socialize with people on rules that are very different from this forum but I do not and likely will never see the same rules applying here as apply in a social setting.
 
The press release says they are going up to 14/day on E175s... I believe it is 11/day now with one of the flights on a mainline 738 and the rest on CR9s with the same number of seats as a 175 - so the number of seats in the market isn't changing much.
 
The press release says they are going up to 14/day on E175s... I believe it is 11/day now with one of the flights on a mainline 738 and the rest on CR9s with the same number of seats as a 175 - so the number of seats in the market isn't changing much.

Yes, with a couple of CR7s mixed in as well. This is a smart marketing move, as the E175 is a vastly superior plane to the CRJ series (at least from a customer perspective), even though the CR9 is slightly more fuel efficient, IIRC. Could four planes manage hourly flights?

how long of a flight is it say without delays

Depending on time of day, the flights are blocked for 1:15 to 1:25. Flight is in the air about 50-55 minutes on AA's 738s and WN's 73Gs, and I suspect the E175s will be about the same.
 
Sad, but true. This is why I laugh when DL's C-suite tries to convince everyone that we're doing a lot of insourcing. They aren't. When they staff places like CLT, MIA, and RDU, then I'll maybe take them seriously.

MIA isn't mainline ramp? That's shocking to me, it's a fairly large operation, all mainline flights to boot and a large SkyClub too. A few years ago UA went to express, as well.

Kev, do you think to the powers at HDQ they'd sooner outsource fleet service than ACS because it is less obvious/invisible to the traveling public? Obviously they conduct their own cost analysis, RFPs, and other considerations but could it be the stations you mentioned had many senior employees and they don't want to pay top pay step, vacation time, etc?

Where are you getting 50 departures for CLT?



By my count:
Monday, August 5, 2013
ATL 10
CVG 3
DTW 6
JFK 2
LGA 6
MEM 3
MSP 4
SLC 1

Total 35


Besides unlike MIA the operation there is mostly RJs (ex-ATL) so it shouldn't come as a surprise they contract the work out. No different than many US stations that have mainline passenger service but contracted ramp.

Josh
 

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