dl142 was to meet w/ the company yesterday...

[700IAM]

Well,Well Mr. IAM
Congratulations to You and your pension....

Now, Take your IAM blinders off for a minute a tell me that you do not see anything wrong with the way the IAM elects their officers at USAIR.

Wait a minute, You didn't even mention if you ever worked for USAIR..Have You ?
Or are you just running your mouth about something you know nothing about ??
You wanna talk about my pension that is NOW frozen ??
Did you ever have to go thru bankruptcy proceedings with your company ??
Go ahead "big man" let's hear your superior story...

I worked in PIT machine shop, Instrument shop, hangers 5 and 2, GES and the Jet shop until they closed it shortly after 9/11 with delldude on here, he was an inspector and we worked together same shift, ask him to verify.

I know what's going on, I lived it pal.

You are a bitter man which will rot you from the inside out. Life is tough and then you die or didn’t your poppa tell you these facts.

I have more woes in my life then 10 ordinary men. I know what life is all about and what it's not. You need to grow up and find some meaning in your life before you implode.

 

[insp89]

I worked in PIT machine shop, Instrument shop, hangers 5 and 2, GES and the Jet shop until they closed it shortly after 9/11 with delldude on here, he was an inspector and we worked together same shift, ask him to verify.

I know what's going on, I lived it pal.

You are a bitter man which will rot you from the inside out. Life is tough and then you die or didn’t your poppa tell you these facts.

I have more woes in my life then 10 ordinary men. I know what life is all about and what it's not. You need to grow up and find some meaning in your life before you implode.

Well, Well Mr. IAM, Thanks for all your advice..My "Poppa" did quite well by me..
Evidently you must think the IAM can stand no room for improvement..
Since you "lived" it, How about answering my questions "old wise one"..
Do you or do you NOT see any problem with the way the IAM elects their officials at USAIR ??
Do you see any problem with the way the IAM [mis-handled] the Force Majeur issue ?
If it makes you feel any better, I am in no danger of "Imploding" and have a great life going on,and know where I'm going after this life is over.. However, I do not take kindly, when a organization that I pay dues to, FAILS to represent me FAIRLY and EQUALLY.
I sincerely hope you can work thru all of your woes in your life.

 

[delldude]

Child,come forth with thy questions...for you and you only,all secrets will be revealed....

 

[insp89]

Child,come forth with thy questions...for you and you only,all secrets will be revealed....

 

[700IAM]

Well, Well Mr. IAM, Thanks for all your advice..My "Poppa" did quite well by me..
Evidently you must think the IAM can stand no room for improvement..
Since you "lived" it, How about answering my questions "old wise one"..
Do you or do you NOT see any problem with the way the IAM elects their officials at USAIR ??
Do you see any problem with the way the IAM [mis-handled] the Force Majeur issue ?
If it makes you feel any better, I am in no danger of "Imploding" and have a great life going on,and know where I'm going after this life is over.. However, I do not take kindly when a organization that I pay dues to, FAILS to represent me FAIRLY and EQUALLY.
I sincerely hope you can work thru all of your woes in your life.

Looking at your rants on here blaming the IAM for all your self imposed woes paints a different picture than your words here.

I have been around the block and back many times. No union is perfect because they are run by flawed men, like we all are. You think the IAM has wronged you then do something constructive instead of ranting on here, do it where it counts. The world is filled with blow hearts while the ones who actually make it happen are the few.

 

[insp89]

Looking at your rants on here blaming the IAM for all your self imposed woes paints a different picture than your words here.

I have been around the block and back many times. No union is perfect because they are run by flawed men, like we all are. You think the IAM has wronged you then do something constructive instead of ranting on here, do it where it counts. The world is filled with blow hearts while the ones who actually make it happen are the few.

Mr.IAM,
Have you not comprehended anything that I've said ??

What do you think I am trying to do by changing the IAM bylaws concerning the election of IAM officials ? :huh:

What are my "self imposed" woes that you speak of ? :blink:

Can I expect some answers to my questions that I asked you ??

I think you've been around the block one too MANY times, Sounds like you're getting dizzy..

What is a blow heart ?

 

[700IAM]

Mr.IAM,
Have you not comprehended anything that I've said ??

What do you think I am trying to do by changing the IAM bylaws concerning the election of IAM officials ? :huh:

What are my "self imposed" woes that you speak of ? :blink:

Can I expect some answers to my questions that I asked you ??

I think you've been around the block one too MANY times, Sounds like you're getting dizzy..

What is a blow heart ?

Keep it up, rant on here and the IAM will change after reading your rants, s-u-r-e they will. I give up. No wonder you are at where you are in life.

 

[insp89]

Keep it up, rant on here and the IAM will change after reading your rants, s-u-r-e they will. I give up. No wonder you are at where you are in life.

Merry Christmas, Happy New Year...Mr. IAM

 

[The End]

Mr.IAM,
Have you not comprehended anything that I've said ??

What do you think I am trying to do by changing the IAM bylaws concerning the election of IAM officials ? :huh:

What are my "self imposed" woes that you speak of ? :blink:

Can I expect some answers to my questions that I asked you ??

I think you've been around the block one too MANY times, Sounds like you're getting dizzy..

What is a blow heart ?

89,
You will never get a straight answer from the iam. Everthing is a secret. You don't really think the iam will change the by-laws just because the membership wants to, do you? They would never do anything that would jepordize the scam they have going. The iam is only interested in keeping the dues flowing no matter what the cost to the membership. They are just another business trying to profit off the backs of labor. The End

 

[delldude]

89,
You will never get a straight answer from the iam. Everthing is a secret. You don't really think the iam will change the by-laws just because the membership wants to, do you? They would never do anything that would jepordize the scam they have going. The iam is only interested in keeping the dues flowing no matter what the cost to the membership. They are just another business trying to profit off the backs of labor. The End

DUDE,ITS A SIMPLE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS BUT IT DOESN'T WORK IF YOU DON'T ATTEND MEETINGS.

Don't suppose you have a copy of your local bylaws.......if not,you can get one from your friendly local secretary....its gives in detail how to file and when to file bylaw changes...get enough of your cronies together and muscle through a vote....thats how its done...
I've personally seen it done in PIT where your from dude,so dont' tell me it doesn't work

IAM SECRET 300B47-001 JUST REVEALED

 

[700UW]

89,
You will never get a straight answer from the iam. Everthing is a secret. You don't really think the iam will change the by-laws just because the membership wants to, do you? They would never do anything that would jepordize the scam they have going. The iam is only interested in keeping the dues flowing no matter what the cost to the membership. They are just another business trying to profit off the backs of labor. The End

That is total BS, when were were DL 141M it use to take four local lodges to nominate you for AGC, the membership proposed a bylaw change to make that two local lodges as it was very hard and time consuming for someone to run and get nominated.

And the bylaw change was passed by the membership even though the District was against it.

So BS on your post about bylaw changes, there are procedures to get it done and I have seen bylaws changed.

Your full of it.

 

[700IAM]

Well Said and as an outsider looking in your point is so blatantly obvious that Stevie Wonder could see it. At least to me it is.

There is an interesting book out "Solidarity for Sale" that addresses these points. Robert Fitch is the Author.

Just a very very briefl snippet of what Mr Fitch has to say, "Corruption is properly understood as the private use of public office. When union corruption appears in the press, it's usually because of illegal acts, such as the outright pilfering of union assets or collusion with the boss selling the members'jobs or giving away their benefits. But a lot of corruption is legal—hiring your relatives, taking excessive salaries, hiring-hall favoritism."

What union immediately come to mind when you read that quote?

You have a long hatered of unions in general and the IAM in particular.

Having worked in many union shops over the years, like 30 plus years I see what unions can and can not accomplish.

I can name real companies right here in Western Pennsylvania that are history with the employees who were too young to retire at the time still working their tails off to make ends meet. Most even after as much as 30 years are receiving zero from these companies as their pensions were stolen or very much reduced down to a few bucks a month from a once livable amount. They [must] work even after years of hard labor because their unions were powerless in the face of corporate America's brutality.

I had slightly less than 15 years in at U and the IAM and for that little amount of time I receive a nice monthly pay check for the rest of my life. I am investing this money instead of burning it for my retirement or my son’s future if God chooses to take me earlier than I plan. This is all possible because of the IAM you few malcontents are blasting. The IAM is one of the very few unions still alive and well that enables an easier life and future for guys like myself where the other unions have little or nothing to offer members who spend a lot more time paying dues. Go ahead and blast the IAM because I see real people with real faces and real families to support with [zero] help from their past union membership. Compare that reality to the IAM and when you do your hatred is unfounded. Most can't even believe I am receiving a check let alone the amount it is even with PBGC involvement.

Malcontents is the only term I can think of. People have no idea what's out there. I have been around and know what's out there and the IAM is worthy when making comparisons to the other unions out there. Just ask the men and women who paid into these other unions twice as long as I did and ask them what they are getting for it!

Piney you will never be really happy, it’s written in all your posts all the way back to your Burger King girlfriend days.

 

[700UW]

First of all Bob, Longshoremen are not constrained under the Railway Labor Act(RLA) they fall under the National Labor Relations Act(NLRA).

Under the RLA CBAs do not expire, therefore you cannot strike until the lengthly process of negotiations are completed and they are lenghtly. The NMB has to declare and impasse in then a 30 day cooling off period takes effect, then the President can step in and order a Presidential Emergency Board (PEB) which extends the time period another upto another 60 days, then if the Company and the Union still cant agree Congress can legislate the CBA.

Step 1 Notice is served under Section 6 of the Railway Labor Act by either party

Step 2 Reply required within 10 days sets time, date of initial conference, which must be held within 30 days.

Step 3 Negotiations begin. No time limit

Step 4 Agreement reached through negotiations, if not go to Step 5.

Step 5 Within 10 days after conferences end either party may request NMB mediation or NMB may proffer mediation

Step 6 If mediation not request or proffered within 10 days, strike, lockout or promulgation of new rules.

Step 7 Agreement reached through mediation, if not go to Step 8.


Step 8 NMB proffer of binding arbitration is offered by NMB or requested.

Step 9 Agreement reached through accepting binding arbitration. If not go to 10.

Step 10 Self help strike, lockout 30 days after NMB notifies both parties that proffer of arbitration was refused.

Step 11 NMB may notify President that it believes dispute will interrupt interstate commerce.

Step 12 President may appoint an emergency board if he/she agrees with Step 11.

Step 13 Presidential Emergency Board reports to President within 30 days.

Step 14 Agreement reached based on Emergency Board report, if not go to 15.

Step 15 Indefinite strike or lockout permitted 30 days after report issued. Agreement may be reached.
Step 16 If no agreement, settlement can be legislated by Congress.

The RLA was setup to protect interstate commerce and give the steps of organizing, negotiations and resolving disputes it strongly hinders labor's rights. For example we went four and one half years one time to reach a new CBA at US Airways from 1995-1999 without raises and such because the company did not want to reach a new CBA and the NMB would not release us.

The only recourse unions have during the negotiations is to work by the book and now companies are using the courts and injunctions to stop that it has happened at UAL and NWA where they sought and got injunctions against the unions and its members for working exactly by the book.

The NLRA when a contract expires on its expiration date the workers are free to strike, big difference and a lot more leverage for workers under the NLRA then the RLA.

Some railroads unionized workers have gone years and years and Congress usually ends up legislating their CBA.

Hope this helps you out.

 

[pitguy]

Piney,
I lived the IAM hell for several years. You have more insight into the moral disgrace of union leadership than 99.99% of union members. I still have printed records of collusion along with audio recordings that I had to take with me for my own best welfare. It was not worth it for me to fight a dishonest union leadership group along with fighting the company (hence you can not fight the world). I would have ended up unemployed while trying to do the right thing for a almost worthless membership group. Really all I am trying to say to you is I agree with your posting. There is a saying that the average person is an idiot. That may apply here as some of these small players in the union just can’t see what is really going on because of their limited insight or intelligence.

 

[diogenes]

Step too far outa line in Joisey, and get a one way ticket to the Pine Barrens! 😛