Doug dispells a popular US Aviation myth

[Pi brat]

Everyone should watch the latest PHX crew news. Under the topic of PHX flying and PHX hub Doug talks about how merging with US didn't really raise costs system wide as many on here would like to believe.

 

[john john]

Raise the cost of what

 

[flybynite]

I feel so much better now.
🙄

 

[Pi brat]

Raise the cost of what

CASM

 

[songbirdstew]

Everyone should watch the latest PHX crew news. Under the topic of PHX flying and PHX hub Doug talks about how merging with US didn't really raise costs system wide as many on here would like to believe.

and you are going to believe ANYTHING that comes out of that mans mouth ???

 

[Dog Wonder]

and you are going to believe ANYTHING that comes out of that mans mouth ???

Umm.

If a canary came out of that mouth singing 'A change is gonna come"

I would ask that canary if it was wearing a diaper.

 

[Pi brat]

and you are going to believe ANYTHING that comes out of that mans mouth ???

Yeah, if he doesn't have a reason to lie. It's funny how many quote him when it favors their POV. 🙄

This wasn't really aimed at everyone, but since we can't make it personal..........

Sorry to waste your time flyby.

 

[a320av8r]

Yeah, if he doesn't have a reason to lie. It's funny how many quote him when it favors their POV. 🙄

This wasn't really aimed at everyone, but since we can't make it personal..........

Sorry to waste your time flyby.

PI Brat,
You can't post anything positive on this board, it is illegal I think. They're mostly basement people here, you know- the ones that drag you down :down: . You need to find porch people- the ones who pull you up !

 

[freedom]

it's a real shame we can't watch or have a watchable link to some of our company discussions ... i'm sorry but the HUB (wings. whatever its called now ) is just too hard for me to use , what with the having to come up with a new password every 6 times you use it .... :down:

 

[Pacemaker]

Sure Doug, and Ted Williams wasn't a great hitter like everyone seems to think; I mean why quibble about quantifiable, measurable matters of public record like CASM and batting averages?

 

[Furloughd4now]

SPASMS have been raised exponentially 😛h34r:

 

[Pi brat]

Sure Doug, and Ted Williams wasn't a great hitter like everyone seems to think; I mean why quibble about quantifiable, measurable matters of public record like CASM and batting averages?

There you are. So Doug doesn't know the numbers as well as you. That seems to be the one thing they do know. Tell me again what about the merger with US has made the cost of flying a west A320 from say PHX to SAN increase?

 

[Pacemaker]

There you are. So Doug doesn't know the numbers as well as you. That seems to be the one thing they do know. Tell me again what about the merger with US has made the cost of flying a west A320 from say PHX to SAN increase?

The same thing that made the cost of flying a MD-80 from LAX-SFO or a 727 from DAY-CLT go up?

 

[Dog Wonder]

it's a real shame we can't watch or have a watchable link to some of our company discussions ... i'm sorry but the HUB (wings. whatever its called now ) is just too hard for me to use , what with the having to come up with a new password every 6 times you use it .... :down:

Call the Help Desk.

 

[BoeingBoy]

There you are. So Doug doesn't know the numbers as well as you.

As they say - it's all in how you spin the numbers, so you decide. Here's the CASM figures for each airline each quarter starting before BK2 for US through the first year after a single certificate was issued and only combined numbers were reported to the BTS. These are system numbers which includes Express which is why they don't agree with what's reported in the quarterly reports for mainline.

2Q04 US = 16.8 cents, HP = 08.3 cents
3Q04 US = 16.1 cents, HP = 08.5 cents
4Q04 US = 15.0 cents, HP = 08.6 cents
1Q05 US = 14.8 cents, HP = 09.7 cents
2Q05 US = 15.3 cents, HP = 11.4 cents
3Q05 US = 16.3 cents, HP = 12.2 cents
4Q05 US = 17.8 cents, HP = 13.4 cents
1Q06 US = 18.8 cents, HP = 11.3 cents
2Q06 US = 17.0 cents, HP = 12.7 cents
3Q06 US = 15.7 cents, HP = 14.1 cents
4Q06 US = 15.4 cents, HP = 13.6 cents
1Q07 US = 15.9 cents, HP = 12.1 cents
2Q07 US = 16.3 cents, HP = 13.1 cents
3Q07 US = 15.8 cents
4Q07 US = 16.4 cents
1Q08 US = 17.0 cents
2Q08 US = 20.1 cents

As you can see, HP consistly had lower CASM and some quarters substantially lower CASM pre-merger agreement. So if you can explain how you can buy two shirts at different stores, one costing $25 and the other costing $35, and have the average price of the two end up being $25 you'll have your explaination of how Doug was right. Otherwise he was spinning like a top.

Tell me again what about the merger with US has made the cost of flying a west A320 from say PHX to SAN increase?

Assuming it's flown with west metal and crews, and omitting outside factors that have affected cost (like fuel, parts, rent, landing fees, etc) the cost wouldn't increase (omitting any affect from other workgroups since I have no idea what affect combined contracts had on their compensation). What has happened is that the CASM of the airline increased (that averaging a low number with a higher number thingy) so revenue has to increase to cover those higher costs which means RASM must increase which means yield must increase. The NE is more of a business market (plus some other routes) which means that yields tend to be higher there while many of the lower yield routes (like to/from LAS) don't produce enough yield to support the higher than HP alone CASM. In other words, parts of the HP system dodn't produce a high enough RASM to support the combined US CASM even though it supported the HP CASM.

Jim