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Oil would have changed nothing for Germany.  It would not have changed the fact that most of it's experienced personnel were either dead or crippled.  Or that the United States had the atom bomb.
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Ah, but Hitler had over 100,000 aircraft that never left the ground. The course of history might have been changed if he had the fuel. The atomic bomb was almost Germany's!
 
signals said:
Ah, but Hitler had over 100,000 aircraft that never left the ground. The course of history might have been changed if he had the fuel. The atomic bomb was almost Germany's!
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No the course of history would not have been changed if he had fuel.  All the fighters in the world are useless if you don't have trained and experienced pilots to fly them.  And that was the problem the Luftwaffe had.  Most of their experienced pilots were either dead, wounded or in POW camps.
 
Germany was no where near getting the atomic bomb in 1945.
 
delldude said:
 
I don't see how that means anything. He could be in the Artic for all that's worth and his message wouldn't change. The guy should be on Mt Rushmore.
 
 
So much for Constitutional guarantees, eh?
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One of you previous posts said the Russians milked him for all the intel they could get from him.  Another said he was actually a Russian agent.  Doesn't sound like someone who belongs on Mt. Rushmore to me.
 
signals said:
Is that why there were battles in the oil rich parts of Africa? Again, history can be dolled up.
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Oil wasn't discovered in Libya until 1959.
 
777 fixer said:
 
All the fighters in the world are useless if you don't have trained and experienced pilots to fly them.  And that was the problem the Luftwaffe had.  Most of their experienced pilots were either dead, wounded or in POW camps.
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Very true, and the whole "what if" argument has no real value anyway, since the Luftwaffe "could" have been earlier equipped with ME262's and perhaps even the Horton, likewise 4-engined-long-ranged bombers, all while they still had no shortage of the "baddest dudes in the neighborhood", but any/all of that supposes the lack of Hitler's psychotic fantasies of essential invincibility that began the war in '39 in the first place. For that matter; the IJN, regardless of the intercepted messages, "should" have won at Midway. Prior to the launching of Desert Storm in '91; many intell folks considered it likely that between 2-10 thousand or more Americans KIA would be the "bill". As always in all of human history; the people/players and times were what they were, and after-action quarter-backing serves only for our collective amusement...Thank God! Imagining that such as Hitler would have somehow ever been at all more "reasonable" in even strategic/tactical matters presumes an entirely different "person" than was the case.
 
Speaking of psychotics in government and the Snowden issue: I'm VERY pleased his information "got out". How many people in nowadays "Amerika" had even the slightest idea that their personal communications were being spied on by their own government?
 
 



 
 
777 fixer said:
 
One of you previous posts said the Russians milked him for all the intel they could get from him.  Another said he was actually a Russian agent.  Doesn't sound like someone who belongs on Mt. Rushmore to me.
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Type in bold, NSA is having difficulty reading your IP.
 
777 fixer said:
 
But like the article said the story is full of way too many holes.
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Holes that ended up on the Manhattan Project......LOL
 
Who confiscated most, if not all of Germany's research work?
 
Why then was Germany aquiring heavy water produced at Vemork in southern Norway.
 
There is much speculation and conflicting accounts as to whether Germany was a week away or 10 years away from having a working A-Bomb. It is likely we won't ever know with certainty. 
 
Further, given Germany's precarious position as the war came to a close it is unlikely that they would have been able to prepare a second bomb in time to turn the tide of the war.
 
delldude said:
 
Holes that ended up on the Manhattan Project......LOL
 
Who confiscated most, if not all of Germany's research work?
 
Why then was Germany aquiring heavy water produced at Vemork in southern Norway.
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If you are talking about German research into rockets which helped the US space program yes.  When the war ended in Europe the USA was only two months away from detonating its first atomic bomb.  Any intel we got from Germany's bomb program would not have changed much.
 
Why did the Germans test a nuclear device then somewhere around 1945?
 
And why did allied bombers put a stop to Norwegian heavy water production?
 
German Jew scientists emigrated and fled here with the knowledge and fear that a fission device was not only theoretically feasible but also technologically possible to build under der Fuhrer in the thirties and were responsible for the start of our programs.
 
 
Dozens of émigré scientists—many of them, like Einstein, Jewish refugees from Hitler—arrived in America in the 1930s and '40s fearing that Nazi researchers could help the führer conquer the globe by developing the world's first atomic super-weapon.
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Einstein approached Roosevelt in 1939 because Leo Szilard, a refugee Hungarian physicist, tried to gain an audience with FDR but basically didn't have the street cred of Einstein and in the end, Einstein convinced and awakened FDR to the threat Szilard was trying to relay, thus starting the Manhattan Project out of fear of the German Atomic Bomb.
 
Why didn't Hitler persue the bomb to its fullest? Maybe for the same lame reasons he never used other weapons to their true potential like the ME-262.
 
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/military/nazis-and-the-bomb.html
 
http://www.shmoop.com/albert-einstein/atomic-bomb.html
 
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