Edward Snowden...N S A.....Wistleblower ! !

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And thus concludes the history can't be altered experiment.

 

[PHXConx]

here is an interesting thought...  thanks to snowden
 
we know that the NSA and the powers that be uses social media  able to post social media posts that were false, able to provide "evidence" when needed
 
the same government that told us that mh370 just disappeared  tells us that mh17 was absolutely shot down, it was the rebels, they used a BUK missile system, all a few hours after it happened...  
 
noone else questions it because russia has been the big bad scary monster the USA has turned to for 97 years 
 
maybe we should question it...  im not saying it wasnt the rebels but to say it was with no real evidence makes you wonder did we learn anything from the snowden revelations?  

 

[777 fixer]

Why did the Germans test a nuclear device then somewhere around 1945?
 
And why did allied bombers put a stop to Norwegian heavy water production?
 
German Jew scientists emigrated and fled here with the knowledge and fear that a fission device was not only theoretically feasible but also technologically possible to build under der Fuhrer in the thirties and were responsible for the start of our programs.
 
 
Einstein approached Roosevelt in 1939 because Leo Szilard, a refugee Hungarian physicist, tried to gain an audience with FDR but basically didn't have the street cred of Einstein and in the end, Einstein convinced and awakened FDR to the threat Szilard was trying to relay, thus starting the Manhattan Project out of fear of the German Atomic Bomb.
 
Why didn't Hitler persue the bomb to its fullest? Maybe for the same lame reasons he never used other weapons to their true potential like the ME-262.
 
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/military/nazis-and-the-bomb.html
 
http://www.shmoop.com/albert-einstein/atomic-bomb.html

 
Like the article you linked to said  Why did they not beat the Americans in the race for atomic bombs? The short answer is that whereas the Americans tried to create atomic bombs, and succeeded, the Germans did not succeed, but also did not really try.

 

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Like the article you linked to said  Why did they not beat the Americans in the race for atomic bombs? The short answer is that whereas the Americans tried to create atomic bombs, and succeeded, the Germans did not succeed, but also did not really try.

 
But FDR didn't know that at the time, It was the mere threat of the Germans succeeding that helped spawn the American effort.
 
BTW, you miss the part where Germany did make a device?

 

[777 fixer]

 
But FDR didn't know that at the time, It was the mere threat of the Germans succeeding that helped spawn the American effort.
 
BTW, you miss the part where Germany did make a device?

 
No I did not miss it.  But as the article said it's not even clear if the device even produced a nuclear reaction.  
 
And yes the mere threat of a German bomb motivated the US to launch the Manhattan Project.  Unfortunately for Germany their twisted policies lead to many of their top scientists to flee to America.  Others ended up being drafted into the Whermahct, talk about a waste of talent.  

 

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here is an interesting thought...  thanks to snowden
 
we know that the NSA and the powers that be uses social media  able to post social media posts that were false, able to provide "evidence" when needed
 
the same government that told us that mh370 just disappeared  tells us that mh17 was absolutely shot down, it was the rebels, they used a BUK missile system, all a few hours after it happened...  
 
noone else questions it because russia has been the big bad scary monster the USA has turned to for 97 years 
 
maybe we should question it...  im not saying it wasnt the rebels but to say it was with no real evidence makes you wonder did we learn anything from the snowden revelations?  

I think a big reason behind the info on MH 17 is because 1. we have wreckage 2. we know where the wreckage is. 3. we have an admission by the rebels that they shot down an aircraft (I think that still holds true but not sure if that info has been discredited) 4. we know that the rebels did not build their own ground to air system so they had to get it from somewhere.  It was not the the US so that leaves Russia. 5. from the debris trail it is pretty easy to determine where the rocket came from 6. knowing what Russia gives to it's allies is not difficult to determine. 
 
I don't ever take the US government or any government at their word but this make a bit of sense in my opinion.

 

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No I did not miss it.  But as the article said it's not even clear if the device even produced a nuclear reaction.  
 
And yes the mere threat of a German bomb motivated the US to launch the Manhattan Project.  Unfortunately for Germany their twisted policies lead to many of their top scientists to flee to America.  Others ended up being drafted into the Whermahct, talk about a waste of talent.  

 
They also knew how to compress it with explosives to get to critical reaction.
So I'd say they knew where they were going. If Hitler could have realized the terror of nukes.....maybe we be sprechen ze duetsch?
 
If you like to read, this is a good work:
 

 

[777 fixer]

 
They also knew how to compress it with explosives to get to critical reaction.
So I'd say they knew where they were going. If Hitler could have realized the terror of nukes.....maybe we be sprechen ze duetsch?
 
If you like to read, this is a good work:
 

 
The list of what if's in order for Hitler to get the bomb is a long one.  
 
I'll add the book to my list.

 

[PHXConx]

I think a big reason behind the info on MH 17 is because 1. we have wreckage 2. we know where the wreckage is. 3. we have an admission by the rebels that they shot down an aircraft (I think that still holds true but not sure if that info has been discredited) 4. we know that the rebels did not build their own ground to air system so they had to get it from somewhere.  It was not the the US so that leaves Russia. 5. from the debris trail it is pretty easy to determine where the rocket came from 6. knowing what Russia gives to it's allies is not difficult to determine. 
 
I don't ever take the US government or any government at their word but this make a bit of sense in my opinion.

My point about social media is that we know based on the revelations from snowden and greenwald. That the us government has the ability and does hijack social media so any admission through twitter is suspect.

The rebels have taken over Ukrainian military bases you don't think they took over Ukrainian equipment?

Ukraine has got the majority of its military equipment from Russia. I'm not saying the so called rebels aren't getting support from Russia. But think about it. Had all the tanks and equipment therebels are using came from Russia and not originally Ukrainian equipment they won as spills of war this government would have used the satellite datav showing that equipment coming across the border. And say the Russians are invading Ukraine.

How does debris trailv tell you where the rocket came from all it tells you is the direction the aircraft was going when hit you can guess the altitude or speed but shows nothing about where the missile was fired from.

We are being fed a story and I'm not saying it's a lie. But after snowden we should be wanting more evidence than an alleged tweet. And should instead of piling on those big bad Russians we should question with healthy skepticism. A story that is easily explained away.

 

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Radar and Sat tracking

 

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What shocks me is that people are shocked by Snowden. I believe the gov boys have been spying on citizens and non-citizens alike since the establishment of the United States of America. 9/11 just gave the practice of spying on people justification. It just grew over the years, and thanks to the www, made it easy for Big Brother to 1984(+30) your @$$!

 

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My point about social media is that we know based on the revelations from snowden and greenwald. That the us government has the ability and does hijack social media so any admission through twitter is suspect.

 

We are being fed a story and I'm not saying it's a lie. But after snowden we should be wanting more evidence than an alleged tweet. And should instead of piling on those big bad Russians we should question with healthy skepticism. A story that is easily explained away.

 
The separatists all ready Mashed a bunch of wreckage and transported to Ivantown.

 

[PHXConx]

Radar and Sat tracking

yea and the precision bombing we saw on CNN during the gulf war and what we saw on the gun tapes were two different things two very different things...
 
I already know the game played the difference is that now we know that the government does these things,  and we continue to let them tell us oh we tracked that, sure you did...  
 
 
btw where was those tracks for when mh 370 went down?  
 
 we should stop letting them tell us stories start demanding proof...  
 
we have the radar data from most of malaysia and they couldnt track a 777 then, but now not only can we track the 777 but we can see a missile smaller than the 777 traveling at mach 3...  right.. tell me another one...  

 

[PHXConx]

What shocks me is that people are shocked by Snowden. I believe the gov boys have been spying on citizens and non-citizens alike since the establishment of the United States of America. 9/11 just gave the practice of spying on people justification. It just grew over the years, and thanks to the www, made it easy for Big Brother to 1984(+30) your @$$!

my problem is that those of us that have been paying attention to this, and knew the others before snowden like tom drake and william binney.  we arent surprised... but even with the massive dump of info from snowden we still let them get away with oh we tracked that we know where that came from, though just yesterday the pentagon said they didnt know who or where the missile originated from.  all it takes is a small lie, let the press get it into the zeitgeist and then it doesnt matter later everyone already thinks its the truth
 
snowden hasnt taught us a damned thing..

 

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