F/A agreement, list the concessions

[N965VJ]

Don't care where you sat and who with, as an officer of the union we sign confidentiality agreements so that things don't end up on a forum like this.

Baloney. 🙄 Union officials have been posting info on here for years. Any confidentiality agreement is just designed to protect their own hides so they don't have to go back to slinging cokes. 😛

 

[Pi brat]

Blame yourself for not getting a raise.



I want to improve my standard of living!

Are you a F/A?

 

[Pi brat]

Here's a probable scenario taking shape more and more everyday......US F/A's vote this T/A down......it gets sent back to he negotiating table......the NMB puts this process into recess......3-5 years or more go by until the Co has time to renogotiate with the US F/A's after completing a merger with AA.......SAME proposal is sent back to the US F/A's once again.

Or how about this one: The F/As vote it down, give their reasons to their negotiating committee, they go back in and tinker with the T/A to get it better aligned with what is important to the group and they put out a new T/A?

 

[galley princess]

Princess....(How appropriate after reading your post) What have you endured you poor thing? Why do some people do the same job as you but see it a different way? What about this contract is NOT industry standard? Please give details because we all wanna understand your thought process. Is it perfect? NOPE! You are not..will not..never ever get a perfect working condition....If you think you will go there!

Sigh, didn't we talk about the personal attacks? This issues dear, the issues.

Continental is at 53+ an hour, NOW.

SWA: 60/ hr NOW.

UA: this requires the intellectual curiousity. Take a look at their tentative. In three years, they are at 50.05/ hr. We are not to exceed that in 5 years.
-their reserves get 78 hours guarantee
-their contract is for four years, and they stand to markedly do better when they complete a merger contract.
-5K signing bonus.
-Early out program: $2400 per year of service, not to exceed 60K.
-12 nonmoveable days off for reserves.
-Their raises are per year, not every 18 months.

As far as I know, they also don't have huge changes to their work rules. If they did, it stands to reason that they would want fair compensation for them.

This is a debate of the issues, with the hope that it will clarify and help F/As really know what they're voting for. It's not personal, it's business.

You're happy? I'm glad for you, so why do you feel it necessary to get in the way of discussions examining this document? If it doesn't stand up to scrutiny what good is it?

 

[galley princess]

What I think is key to understanding the true problem that F/As will have is what are the variables and possibilities?

Apparently the NMB wanted to force this to a vote. Fine, we can vote.

We're not school children being given a last chance here. This is a negotiation, and accepting the first offer in the real world is done by those at a disadvantage.

I would argue that is not the case here.

You can't be put into recess forever. There is a democratic president in office right now who will be fighting for re-election right about the time we could be doing CHAOS.

The psychological barrier here is the unknown, so that is what needs to be answered at the roadshows, hopefully in an honest, ethical manner, and then cross checked for validity.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

Or how about this one: The F/As vote it down, give their reasons to their negotiating committee, they go back in and tinker with the T/A to get it better aligned with what is important to the group and they put out a new T/A?

So what kind of time line are you suggesting that all this takes place in?

The same kind of time line that the pilots are on?

A couple of years?

Is the company willing to let "tinkering" take place?

No thank you.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

Continental is at 53+ an hour, NOW.

SWA: 60/ hr NOW.

My understanding is that both these F/A groups work much harsher trips in exchange for more money.

You can't have it both ways:

If you want more money you work more efficiently which ELIMINATES headcount.
If you want better work rules you take less money with the opportunity to make it up in other ways and with NO furloughs.

To compare us to WN & CO is misleading.

 

[diamondcutter]

Sigh, didn't we talk about the personal attacks? This issues dear, the issues.

Continental is at 53+ an hour, NOW.

SWA: 60/ hr NOW.

UA: this requires the intellectual curiousity. Take a look at their tentative. In three years, they are at 50.05/ hr. We are not to exceed that in 5 years.
-their reserves get 78 hours guarantee
-their contract is for four years, and they stand to markedly do better when they complete a merger contract.
-5K signing bonus.
-Early out program: $2400 per year of service, not to exceed 60K.
-12 nonmoveable days off for reserves.
-Their raises are per year, not every 18 months.

As far as I know, they also don't have huge changes to their work rules. If they did, it stands to reason that they would want fair compensation for them.

This is a debate of the issues, with the hope that it will clarify and help F/As really know what they're voting for. It's not personal, it's business.

You're happy? I'm glad for you, so why do you feel it necessary to get in the way of discussions examining this document? If it doesn't stand up to scrutiny what good is it?
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I did not see that in the united T/A ... 50.05. I'm just trying to understand not stir. CO has a high pay rate due to no duty rigs. It is my understanding we could have the same with no rigs. The signing bonus was because their contract was up years ago. Ours was up last month. They are only paid 3:00 hrs per day no matter how many days vacation . Our TA states an early out program when PBS is in place ( it will be worth bullsh$& ) . I totally agree with all you are saying ...really I do. I think the united TA screwed us. They are pissed over at ua . The contract , if the sign will have to start all over again with a new TA for U/CO combined. It seems many think the same thing will happen last time we voted down a TA ... It took 5 yrs for a new one at the 12 hr before Chaos. I think we are in the driver seat with the possibility of a meger. Thoughts anyone? AND THIS SHOULD BE A 3YR DEAL

 

[Pi brat]

So what kind of time line are you suggesting that all this takes place in?

The same kind of time line that the pilots are on?

A couple of years?

Is the company willing to let "tinkering" take place?

No thank you.

I'm not suggesting anything, that is for the F/As to decide. I'm questioning why sending the JNC back in after a no vote wouldn't be an option. It's just that the east US groups have been voting under some kind of pressure either on them or right over the hill for 2 decades. It has caused people (me) to vote for things they would otherwise send back. Right now we are making money and a merger may be over the hill, but not in the next couple of months.

Again, are you a F/A? Just wondering based on your posts to me on the pilot thread.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

Again, are you a F/A? Just wondering based on your posts to me on the pilot thread.

More to your point, I am a person who does not like to see hypocrisy masquerading as integrity.

If you would like to take this to your thread I'm fine with that.

By the way, what's your opinion on how long it would take to "tinker" with this contract?

I ask because the pilots have been tinkering for YEARS and nothing has happened.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

... last time we voted down a TA ... It took 5 yrs for a new one...

5 years in addition to the decade already spent on BK wages and rules.

IF a merger happens, all this will be negotiated again, effectively making for a shorter term contract.

 

[Pi brat]

More to your point, I am a person who does not like to see hypocrisy masquerading as integrity.

If you would like to take this to your thread I'm fine with that.

By the way, what's your opinion on how long it would take to "tinker" with this contract?

I ask because the pilots have been tinkering for YEARS and nothing has happened.

Perhaps people might better weigh your hypocrisy vs. integrity if they knew if you had a dog in the fight. I'll go first. I'm not a F/A. I'm married to one.

The pilots have been "tinkering' because they have a seniority fight that has given the company the tools to tinker.

Better idea, let's take it to PM.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

The pilots have been "tinkering' because they have a seniority fight that has given the company the tools to tinker.

OTHER than seniority, how many other sections has your group been able to "tinker" with and successfully close?

Since you brought it up, ask your wife how long it would take to get a revised contract to a vote. I'd be interested in her answer.

 

[F/AinDay]

Voting yes just because you are afraid that Tempe will not talk to us anymore is just nuts.

 

[usfliboi]

Voting yes just because you are afraid that Tempe will not talk to us anymore is just nuts.

Then VOTE NO! You cant control what others think!