F/A TA agreement

[usfliboi]

I've heard the same thing. Good on 'ya all!

I think it will pass although hard to say when nothing to look at..... I do think on avg a $6 per flt hour pay raise for east and west brought up to east pay rates. West takes east insurance and vacation. Scope remains in tact and crews stay together. Sick will probably stay the same however maybe more monthly accruals to make up up for the current poor system but the same sick call policy stays the same. Just speculation but think Im close! Both sides want a deal so I think major movement and quickly! There may be some stipulation to re open once pilots come to agreement which will happen at some point in the next couple plus years.

 

[whizbang]

I think it will pass although hard to say when nothing to look at..... I do think on avg a $6 per flt hour pay raise for east and west brought up to east pay rates. West takes east insurance and vacation. Scope remains in tact and crews stay together. Sick will probably stay the same however maybe more monthly accruals to make up up for the current poor system but the same sick call policy stays the same. Just speculation but think Im close! Both sides want a deal so I think major movement and quickly! There may be some stipulation to re open once pilots come to agreement which will happen at some point in the next couple plus years.

I dont think $6 on the East is enough. We want our vacation back as well as 100% sick pay. I also dont like not having summer vacation with 25yrs. What a joke. The PBS system is also not wanted. The reserves on the East hate the closed reserve system. Why a 5 year contract when its already taken them 7 to get this far. Im thinking 3yrs with a 3% raise every year after that until they negotiate another contract. United F/As got a $5k signing bonus. I'll get bent over with no grease. The Tempe Teens need to get a grip. Im sure they have already negotiated themselves some fine bonuses if the AA merger happens.

 

[ggiby]

I dont think $6 on the East is enough. We want our vacation back as well as 100% sick pay. I also dont like not having summer vacation with 25yrs. What a joke. The PBS system is also not wanted. The reserves on the East hate the closed reserve system. Why a 5 year contract when its already taken them 7 to get this far. Im thinking 3yrs with a 3% raise every year after that until they negotiate another contract. United F/As got a $5k signing bonus. I'll get bent over with no grease. The Tempe Teens need to get a grip. Im sure they have already negotiated themselves some fine bonuses if the AA merger happens.

PBS was ratified in our last contract... we have it period... go read the language in our current contract.... it is there done...
the reason we don't have it yet is that the company and union could not decide on a vendor for the system. That is now
done... so you voted your last contract in, which included PBS.... cant do anything about it now.

 

[johnny kat]

From what I read the UA F/A's will receive an immediate $5000.00 signing bonus plus a 10% raise. A three year contract with a bumps up to 18%. So do the math. Not sure what UA pay rates are at present (I've heard around 45 an hour).

Parker is always talking about how we are 10% less in earnings potential because of our hubs. HMMM. $45.00 less $4.50 is $41.50 and add 10% ($4.15) equals $45.65. So with this assumption $45.65 is what our new rate comes to. HMM. Signing bonus of $5000.00 less 10% is $4500.00. Flight Attendants need a raise!!!!! I am tired of going on trips broke! It's getting to the point of is it really worth it! Parker needs to understand that the F/A's are really hurting and we really need a contract. NOT KIDDING!!!!

 

[johnny kat]

Okay, Okay...The math didn't add up. My mistake.

The point is...to all the F/A's at US do your own math. The company math never seems to add up in favor of the employees. All the other airlines seem to be serious about conducting the business of business and moving on. US needs to show it is serious. It is time for a contract the employees can live with.

 

[ggiby]

Okay, Okay...The math didn't add up. My mistake.

The point is...to all the F/A's at US do your own math. The company math never seems to add up in favor of the employees. All the other airlines seem to be serious about conducting the business of business and moving on. US needs to show it is serious. It is time for a contract the employees can live with.

No... you need to drink the green kool aide... down it now...
cuz if u do, u will then sign on the dotted line..

Drink the kool aide.... Drink the kool aide.... Drink the kool aide...

IMHO... if you do, you are Crazy.... just like the Jone's people...

 

[usfliboi]

No... you need to drink the green kool aide... down it now...
cuz if u do, u will then sign on the dotted line..

Drink the kool aide.... Drink the kool aide.... Drink the kool aide...

IMHO... if you do, you are Crazy.... just like the Jone's people...

Hey you could always find another job making more monies...Amazing how many complain but in reality know there is nothing better out there lol ! I am sure there will be better pay and some better policies in the new contract. Im not concerned what other companies and unions do nor should you... If it is that important and that great of a deal you could always go there?.........Just saying

 

[john john]

Hey you could always find another job making more monies...Amazing how many complain but in reality know there is nothing better out there lol ! I am sure there will be better pay and some better policies in the new contract. Im not concerned what other companies and unions do nor should you... If it is that important and that great of a deal you could always go there?.........Just saying

And this attitude and approach my friends is what lowers the bar

 

[Travelpro72]

So because the job market isn't that great the flight attendant group should settle for what is given and not fight and demand more after a double bankruptcy contract and west flight attendants without a new contract for twelve years? US management claims they can't pay their flight attendants what the other legacy carriers pay due to their hub disadvantage but what they don't tell you is since US is smaller with smaller revenue, SO IS THEIR EMPLOYEE NUMBERS! Management can juggle numbers and make up whatever excuse suits them but it's all a bunch of bull. The flight attendant group is not asking but DEMANDING a better contract with better pay and NO CHANGES to the scope language. The word "a" or "the" will not be removed from section ONE of the contract. The mediator can recess the group before that ever happens. Send the t/a out now to vote on because with what the west group is losing coupled with what the east group isn't recouping it's doomed to fail.

 

[galley princess]

PBS was ratified in our last contract... we have it period... go read the language in our current contract.... it is there done...
the reason we don't have it yet is that the company and union could not decide on a vendor for the system. That is now
done... so you voted your last contract in, which included PBS.... cant do anything about it now.

While PBS was voted in via a bankrupticy contract, it has never been enacted. To assume its default it into a new contract isn't a foregone conclusion. By definition, this IS a new TA. It can have in it what f/as want in it, negotiation dependent. For some unknown reason CA has been hot to get PBS on the US property for years. I have to believe that it has more to it than just the fact that PBS is so pro-senior f/a than our current system, but frankly, I have never understood her zeal in getting it. Having said that, it IS part of the current mess that is apparently being negotiated.

Try having 25 years and getting the left over garbage that the senior mamas don't want. And that might be the not so bad garbage. The blocks the juniors will end up with will curl their hair. Forget weekends off. Forget holidays. Forget having a second chance at a better schedule, here's what's left for you, happy flying!

Unless CA can make the company cough up a serious raise, better vacation and preserve scope, as far as I am concerned it's a waste of paper. Don't forget, PBS is a concession, and if it's enacted, we should be compensated for its loss.

As for the common "go get another job" comment, it's facile and basically irrelevant. US is unionized, and barring misconduct of the employee, it can't just sweep employees out the door for not drinking the koolaid. Demanding fair compensation and work rules is just business and providing them is the cost of doing business. Given the seniority system we work under, we're stuck with US and US is stuck with us, so we negotiate until we either get an agreement the f/as and company can live with, or things eventually get difficult for both sides.

Avoiding that "difficult" has different prices for different people. For AWA, I can see why your "difficult" number is a lot lower than EAST's, but the fact is, we have known better, and now that US is out of danger and making money, we're not buying their poverty cries. They're greedy and don't want to compensate fairly. Well, that's understandable, but unsustainable.

At the end of the day, hopefully, we are better than our weakest link.

 

[usfliboi]

While PBS was voted in via a bankrupticy contract, it has never been enacted. To assume its default it into a new contract isn't a foregone conclusion. By definition, this IS a new TA. It can have in it what f/as want in it, negotiation dependent. For some unknown reason CA has been hot to get PBS on the US property for years. I have to believe that it has more to it than just the fact that PBS is so pro-senior f/a than our current system, but frankly, I have never understood her zeal in getting it. Having said that, it IS part of the current mess that is apparently being negotiated.

Try having 25 years and getting the left over garbage that the senior mamas don't want. And that might be the not so bad garbage. The blocks the juniors will end up with will curl their hair. Forget weekends off. Forget holidays. Forget having a second chance at a better schedule, here's what's left for you, happy flying!

Unless CA can make the company cough up a serious raise, better vacation and preserve scope, as far as I am concerned it's a waste of paper. Don't forget, PBS is a concession, and if it's enacted, we should be compensated for its loss.

As for the common "go get another job" comment, it's facile and basically irrelevant. US is unionized, and barring misconduct of the employee, it can't just sweep employees out the door for not drinking the koolaid. Demanding fair compensation and work rules is just business and providing them is the cost of doing business. Given the seniority system we work under, we're stuck with US and US is stuck with us, so we negotiate until we either get an agreement the f/as and company can live with, or things eventually get difficult for both sides.

Avoiding that "difficult" has different prices for different people. For AWA, I can see why your "difficult" number is a lot lower than EAST's, but the fact is, we have known better, and now that US is out of danger and making money, we're not buying their poverty cries. They're greedy and don't want to compensate fairly. Well, that's understandable, but unsustainable.

At the end of the day, hopefully, we are better than our weakest link.

It is an attitude like this that got us the contract we have today! You are mistaken and must feel trapped if you feel this is the best you can do for work. I encourage you to look inside companies in the real world and you will find you doing just fine! Always room for better contracts but at the end of the day it taint gonna be what it used to be!

 

[whizbang]

PBS was ratified in our last contract... we have it period... go read the language in our current contract.... it is there done...
the reason we don't have it yet is that the company and union could not decide on a vendor for the system. That is now
done... so you voted your last contract in, which included PBS.... cant do anything about it now.

Pbs may be inour contract, but it is not in the West contract. This may I remind you, is a joint contract. That being said, why would we have to keep it if they dont have it? Furthermore it was never implemented. I dont think it is written in stone since it is not in both the East and West contracts now.

 

[ggiby]

Hey you could always find another job making more monies...Amazing how many complain but in reality know there is nothing better out there lol ! I am sure there will be better pay and some better policies in the new contract. Im not concerned what other companies and unions do nor should you... If it is that important and that great of a deal you could always go there?.........Just saying

U are so very right.... but I have been here for 30 years... I don't want another job... I just want what has been taken from me in the last few contracts... I make my 1990 wages. now...
want to get up to 2011.... you must be a new hire... ??? you have not lost anything eeegh??????

 

[ggiby]

Hey you could always find another job making more monies...Amazing how many complain but in reality know there is nothing better out there lol ! I am sure there will be better pay and some better policies in the new contract. Im not concerned what other companies and unions do nor should you... If it is that important and that great of a deal you could always go there?.........Just saying

You my friend have been drinking it...

 

[ggiby]

Pbs may be inour contract, but it is not in the West contract. This may I remind you, is a joint contract. That being said, why would we have to keep it if they dont have it? Furthermore it was never implemented. I dont think it is written in stone since it is not in both the East and West contracts now.

I was told it was in the West contract as well... but I am going on what I am told... I do not know your contract....
But it is in the East Contract and has been for several years... so its still here...
PBS is not a bad thing...