Feel The Bern

[delldude]

Like 'free' college?
 
People who don't own it won't take responsibility for it.

 

[Kev3188]

Using that line of logic, no one takes responsibility for their K-12 education. We both know that's inaccurate.

(Said the guy that put himself through college)

 

[delldude]

Using that line of logic, no one takes responsibility for their K-12 education. We both know that's inaccurate.

(Said the guy that put himself through college)

 
Your line of logic needs rethinking. K-12 you are forced to go and participate....by law.
 
College is a selected venue.
 
Someone else paying your way takes ownership away and self policing responsibility would be a problem.

 

[WeAAsles]

 
Your line of logic needs rethinking. K-12 you are forced to go and participate....by law.
 
College is a selected venue.
 
Someone else paying your way takes ownership away and self policing responsibility would be a problem.

 

Mann reforms
Upon becoming the secretary of education in Massachusetts in 1837, Horace Mann (1796–1859) worked to create a statewide system of professional teachers, based on the Prussian model of "common schools," which referred to the belief that everyone was entitled to the same content in education. Mann's early efforts focused primarily on elementary education and on preparing teachers. The common-school movement quickly gained strength across the North. Connecticut adopted a similar system in 1849, and Massachusetts passed a compulsory attendance law in 1852.[54][55] His crusading style attracted wide middle class support. Historian Ellwood P. Cubberley asserts:

No one did more than he to establish in the minds of the American people the conception that education should be universal, non-sectarian, free, and that its aims should be social efficiency, civic virtue, and character, rather than mere learning or the advancement of sectarian ends.[56]
One important technique Mann learned in Prussia and first introduced in Massachusetts in 1848 was age grading—students were assigned by age to different grades and progressed through them, regardless of differences of aptitude, together with the lecture method used in European universities, which treated students more as passive recipients of instruction than as active participants in instructing one another. Previously, schools had often been single groups of students with ages ranging from 6 to 14 years. With the introduction of age grading, multi-aged classrooms all but disappeared.[57] Some students progressed with their grade and completed all courses the secondary school had to offer. These were "graduated," and were awarded a certificate of completion. This was increasingly done at a ceremony imitating college graduation rituals.
Arguing that universal public education was the best way to turn the nation's unruly children into disciplined, judicious republican citizens, Mann won widespread approval from modernizers, especially among fellow Whigs, for building public schools. Indeed, most states adopted one version or another of the system he established in Massachusetts, especially the program for "normal schools" to train professional teachers.[58] This quickly developed into a widespread form of school which later became known as the factory model school.
Free schooling was available through some of the elementary grades. Graduates of these schools could read and write, though not always with great precision. Mary Chesnut, a Southern diarist, mocks the North's system of free education in her journal entry of June 3, 1862, where she derides misspelled words from the captured letters of Union soldiers.[59]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_education_in_the_United_States


 

 

[Kev3188]

I see it as an investment that benefits the collective- same as infrastructure.

 

[WeAAsles]

Compared to American students, Germans barely had to pay for undergraduate study even before tuition fees were abolished. Semester fees averaged around €500 ($630) and students were entitled to many perks, such as cheap (often free) transportation within and between cities.
Free education is a concept that is embraced in most of Europe with notable exceptions like the U.K., where the government voted to lift the cap on university fees in 2010. The measure has reportedly cost more money than it brought in. The Guardian reported in March that students are failing to pay back student loans at such a rate that “the government will lose more money than it would have saved from keeping the old £3,000 ($4,865) tuition fee system.”
UK students often compare their plight to their American counterparts, but most Americans would be fortunate to pay as little as the British do: a maximum of $14,550 per year. High tuition fees in the U.S. have caused student loan debt, which stands at $1.2 trillion, to spiral out of control. It is now the second-highest form of consumer debt in the country. According to the Institute for College Access and Success, two thirds of American college students will leave their alma mater in significant debt (averaging at $26,600).

http://thinkprogress.org/education/2014/10/01/3574551/germany-free-college-tuition/

 

[WeAAsles]

The U.S. education system is mediocre compared to the rest of the world, according to an international ranking of OECD countries.
More than half a million 15-year-olds around the world took the Programme for International Student Assessment in 2012. The test, which is administered every three years and focuses largely on math, but includes minor sections in science and reading, is often used as a snapshot of the global state of education. The results, published today, show the U.S. trailing behind educational powerhouses like Korea and Finland.

How seriously should we take these dismal findings? Educators around the world have called for tempered reactions to the PISA scores and questioned the usefulness of the tests. Nevertheless, this year’s report—and the United States’ poor math results—may be worth paying attention to for at least one reason. A 2011 study found that PISA scores are an economic indicator: rising scores are a good sign that a country’s economy will grow as well.

http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2013/12/american-schools-vs-the-world-expensive-unequal-bad-at-math/281983/

 

[WeAAsles]

Our children are not reading at grade level.
The literacy rates among fourth grade students in America are sobering. Sixty six percent of all U.S. fourth graders scored "below proficient" on the 2013 National Assessment of Education Progress (NAEP) reading test, meaning that they are not reading at grade level.1  Even more alarming is the fact that among students from low-income backgrounds, 80 percent score below grade level in reading.2
 
Reading proficiency among middle school students isn't much better. On the 2013 NAEP reading test, about 22 percent of eighth graders scored below the "basic" level, and only 36 percent of eighth graders were at or above grade level.

https://www.studentsfirst.org/pages/the-stats

 

[WeAAsles]

I see it as an investment that benefits the collective- same as infrastructure.

Do you really believe that the people you are conversing with on this site care?

 

[delldude]

I see it as an investment that benefits the collective- same as infrastructure.

 
Much like the welfare program was intended.

 

[WeAAsles]

 
Much like the welfare program was intended.

 
Because of dramatic global educational gains, high school graduation has now become the norm in most industrialized countries. The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) reports that by 2009, the United States had fallen from 1st in the world to 8th in the proportion of young adults (ages 18 to 24) receiving a high school diploma within the calendar year. This lower position does not indicate a drop in U.S. graduation levels; rather, it testifies to the success other nations have had ambitiously expanding their secondary school systems and raising their graduation rates. Although the United States actually showed a modest increase in secondary school graduation from 1995 to 2009, this achievement is dwarfed by the striking gains of a number of countries (see Figure 1). Among the 28 OECD countries with comparable data for 2009, the United States ranked 12th in the percent of the overall population (including adults over the age of 24) achieving secondary school graduation, which is 15 or more percentage points behind countries such as Portugal, Slovenia, Finland, Japan, Ireland, and Norway (OECD, 2011).
 

Figure 1. Percentage of Population Achieving High School Graduation or Equivalent

 
Source: Data from Table A2.1 (Upper secondary graduation rates [2009] and Table A2.2 (Trends in graduate rates at upper secondary level [1995–2009]. OECD. (2011). Education at a Glance 2011: OECD Indicators. Paris: OECD Publishing.
The pace of change in high school graduation in some countries has been astounding. For example, two generations ago, South Korea had a similar economic output to Mexico and ranked 24th in education among the current 30 OECD countries. Today, South Korea is in the top 10 countries in terms of high school graduation rates, significantly ahead of the United States (Uh, 2008).

http://www.ascd.org/publications/books/111016/chapters/Globalization-and-Education.aspx

 

[townpete]

 

[delldude]

 

[townpete]

 
Wondermut had a meltdown over that video.
 
 

Back in the surreal world.
 
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/nras-ted-nugent-sparks-yet-another-ugly-controversy

 
Tells you where his head is at....
 

 

[Kev3188]

You a fan of the Nuge?