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First 757 to outsourced MRO

It seems to me that AA is just following "industry standards", so out sourcing the majority of O/H is going to happen like it or not.
Moving MOC to Dallas, so they can sit in the laps of the SOC people is "industry standard". Getting rid of retiree medical and going to the 401k is "industry standard" In my eyes moving MOC to Dallas is just another step in closing/spinning off Tulsa. Are the MOC and SOC people really going to talk "face to face" or just pick up the phone like they do now? Yep, 757's to Timco is just testing the waters....
The company just announced the management restructer of Aircraft O/H in Tulsa. Some members of management in A/O were moved around and others were added or upgraded. One in the engine shops was also upgraded. I do not see the same crystal ball that you do. Why would the company beef up mangement just to shut the place down?
 
The company just announced the management restructer of Aircraft O/H in Tulsa. Some members of management in A/O were moved around and others were added or upgraded. One in the engine shops was also upgraded. I do not see the same crystal ball that you do. Why would the company beef up mangement just to shut the place down?

AMR is like other big companies. They have a problem with supervisors who have no one to supervise. They have no problem whatsover with managers who do not have anyone to manage; so, in order to preserve the jobs and the management payroll, they have to promote the supervisors whose workers have been laid off.

At Texaco years ago (early 1990's), the General Manager of Information Technology announced they were "flattening" the organization. That there would be no more than 2 levels of management between him and the lowest employee in the department. The next day they came out with an organizational chart that had 13 fewer boxes on it than the day before. That same day they laid off 13 programmers/systems analysts (one of whom had worked for Texaco in that department since he came home from Vietnam. He was 2 years short of full retirement). The 13 managers whose boxes had been eliminated were put in those jobs--some of them had not programmed in over 20 years. Oh, and their titles changed, but not their paychecks. At that point, I decided it was time to start looking around for other opportunities.

AMR may be doing the same with the Tulsa management.
 
AMR is like other big companies. They have a problem with supervisors who have no one to supervise. They have no problem whatsover with managers who do not have anyone to manage; so, in order to preserve the jobs and the management payroll, they have to promote the supervisors whose workers have been laid off.

At Texaco years ago (early 1990's), the General Manager of Information Technology announced they were "flattening" the organization. That there would be no more than 2 levels of management between him and the lowest employee in the department. The next day they came out with an organizational chart that had 13 fewer boxes on it than the day before. That same day they laid off 13 programmers/systems analysts (one of whom had worked for Texaco in that department since he came home from Vietnam. He was 2 years short of full retirement). The 13 managers whose boxes had been eliminated were put in those jobs--some of them had not programmed in over 20 years. Oh, and their titles changed, but not their paychecks. At that point, I decided it was time to start looking around for other opportunities.

AMR may be doing the same with the Tulsa management.
In my department, they interviewed 95 for supervisor positions. They only hired one. But it would appear that there is no shortage of mangers to move around.
 
The company just announced the management restructer of Aircraft O/H in Tulsa. Some members of management in A/O were moved around and others were added or upgraded. One in the engine shops was also upgraded. I do not see the same crystal ball that you do. Why would the company beef up mangement just to shut the place down?
To keep labor costs among the highest??
 
In my department, they interviewed 95 for supervisor positions. They only hired one. But it would appear that there is no shortage of mangers to move around.


Probably 3 current management folks looking to move around and 92 TWU members looking to recover their concessions.

I recently talked to one AMT that took a Supervisor job, he said he got everything lost in 2003 back and then some.

On top of that he said he uses the 2 Hours per month that used to be Union Dues and takes his wife out to dinner.

Sounds like a better deal than we are getting while voting no and going backwards.

I told him "We would get 'em next time" and he looked at me with a slanted head as if he was a dog hearing a high pitched shrill.
 
Or voting yes and removing your spine!!
While I have never voted yes on any contract the TWU has presented the membership, I am beginning to wonder if the natural abuse of the lifestyle I am living, that I need to visit the chiropractor, and soon.
 
Looks like DL is expanding their aircraft maintenance relationship with Aeromexico. DL just announced a big investment in the MX MRO so they can do 737 and MD80 work. Article said widebody capacity will be added in the second phase. Gotta love that NAFTA! Is this part of that big flushing sound Ross Perot talked about?
it was not NAFTA that allowed this to happen:

The 1988 amendments to the FAR permit the Administrator to certificate a foreign repair station if it is needed to maintain or alter U.S.-registered aircraft and components for use on U.S.-registered aircraft
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   Aircraft repair stations, whether foreign or domestic, must be certified by the FAA in order to do work on U.S.-registered aircraft. Prior to 1988, FAA regulations required foreign repair stations to demonstrate a legitimate need to service United States aircraft involved in international travel in order to be eligible for certification. Despite exceptions to this rule, including but not limited to emergency repairs, FAA regulations were directed to ensure that repairs of U.S.-registered aircraft met the most stringent safety standards and requirements.

    Furthermore, FAA's limited resources were not squandered assessing, certifying, and inspecting unnecessary stations. With the 1988 amendments, however, FAA removed the need-base requirements and allowed for even repair stations to perform both repair and maintenance work on any U.S. aircraft, regardless of whether or not it flew internationally.

    This new policy resulted in FAA certifying almost 300 new foreign repair stations. The legacy left in the wake of these changes is both problematic and reminiscent of those we sought to address almost a decade ago. The 1988 amendments created yet another loophole for us to close.

    Domestic repair stations, much like domestic carriers of the early 1990s, are at a competitive disadvantage when foreign stations operate under a different, cheaper set of standards. The cost of compliance is not insignificant. Yet, FAA regulations require domestic repair stations to adhere to a stringent array of standards, from drug and alcohol testing to the careful monitoring of personnel. And they have done so for the greater good of safety.


    Why then should foreign repair stations be held to a lesser standard?

    The very countries that FAA prohibits from flying into our country or whose civil aviation authority has been found to be deficient are today being certified to do repair work on United States planes. My greatest concern is—FAA has certified hundreds of new foreign repair stations—is the agency does not have the resources to properly monitor all of these facilities in a manner that is consistent with ensuring the safe repair of our Nation's aircraft. It is impossible, Mr. Chairman, for FAA to determine if their high standards are, in fact, being adhered to at the many facilities that are now the responsibility to surveil.

This all happened under Elizabeth Dole as DOT Secretary.

Link
 
Another Example of Powerful AFL-CIO Success.
There is a laundry list of AFL-CIO "leaders" that opposed the amendments back then. Oberstar did not sponsor the opposition legislation.

I remember as a young IAM member fighting to repeal the changes. Obviously we (aircraft mechanics) did not prevail.
 
There is a laundry list of AFL-CIO "leaders" that opposed the amendments back then. Oberstar did not sponsor the opposition legislation.

I remember as a young IAM member fighting to repeal the changes. Obviously we did not prevail.


No ####.
Name something relevant to outsourcing of industry work, that the AFL-CIO has prevailed on.

A laundry list of those opposed has gotten us nowhere.

What did your "young IAM Member Fighting" consist of exactly? A yard sign or a petition?
Everything I have seen defined as "fighting" by the AFL-CIO or the TWU is laughable to be called "fighting".
Ask someone coming back from IRAQ or Afganistan how they define "Fight", then comapre that to TWU/IAM/AFL-CIO "fight".


It is those without spines to begin with that are playing by the rules and laws getting nowhere, while calling others spineless.
And so we are instructed to vote NO, and prepare for a "fight"....Laughable at best

The Loudest and most Favored "Fighter" in our current negotiations, obviously defines "fight" as simply being against everything offered and posting it on this bulletin board or making a YouTube Video about it.


Can't fix or argue with STUPID, and compound weakness with that and you can bet there is NOT going to be a real "fight".
 
No ####.
Name something relevant to outsourcing of industry work, that the AFL-CIO has prevailed on.

A laundry list of those opposed has gotten us nowhere.

What did your "young IAM Member Fighting" consist of exactly? A yard sign or a petition?
Everything I have seen defined as "fighting" by the AFL-CIO or the TWU is laughable to be called "fighting".
Ask someone coming back from IRAQ or Afganistan how they define "Fight", then comapre that to TWU/IAM/AFL-CIO "fight".


It is those without spines to begin with that are playing by the rules and laws getting nowhere, while calling others spineless.
And so we are instructed to vote NO, and prepare for a "fight"....Laughable at best

Can't fix STUPID.
You must have me mistaken for someone who supports the scab afl-cio organization.

I was an IAM member by default. I fought for what I thought was right by lobbying my own congress people by visiting their office and writing and calling them. No yard signs here.

As for your war reference, I have no idea how you are drawing comparison there... :blink:

You should redirect your anger at a better target. I left the industry by walking away (strike) because I had had enough of the concession train. Somebody had to stop it and us NWA guys had the balls to act.

Funny, I don't remember any of you AA guys walking the picket line with us. Maybe you had a yard sign? or better yet, a t-shirt?
 
You must have me mistaken for someone who supports the scab afl-cio organization.

I was an IAM member by default. I fought for what I thought was right by lobbying my own congress people by visiting their office and writing and calling them. No yard signs here.

As for your war reference, I have no idea how you are drawing comparison there... :blink:

You should redirect your anger at a better target. I left the industry by walking away (strike) because I had had enough. How is that for fighting. Funny, I don't remember any of you AA guys walking the picket line with me. Maybe you had a yard sign?

No yard sign here either. I spent my early TWU days "fighting" as they called it, probably around the same time you were "fighting".
Still makes laugh that they call that a "fight". But there are some well train leaders still to this day "fighting" using the same methods. LOL

And I have no use for either of the two mainstream political parties.

Some things cannot be posted in our "free society". So that will be the end of my references to my definition of "fight".

Congrats on taking a stand against NWA Managment.
However, nothing in this industry changed as a result of that either.
Maybe it would have been better to complete the agenda of getting "ALL AMT's INTO ONE UNION" before engaging in such a "fight".
 
Maybe it would have been better to complete the agenda of getting "ALL AMT's INTO ONE UNION" before engaging in such a "fight".
That is something that may have been possible at that time. However, with the "I got mine brother" mentality we live in today, no way.
 
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