First 757 to outsourced MRO

[787nightmare]

All of you that agree that somethings are better off not posted on this forum raise your hand?
All of those oppose, "shut your piehole"!

🙂..................reckon so.

 

[787nightmare]

You must work for Troy S.

JAML himself.
. 🙂

 

[chris perry]

The safest airline? I'll take you at your word. The airline that outsources its heavy airframe overhauls to places like Aeroman in El Salvador? The airline that has this to say about its maintenance program:



At 12/31/10, WN had just 2,464 maintenance personnel to maintain its 548 737s.

They just have a few blow holes in the fuse due to improper maintenance. Also a fine to prove it,but safety wasn't compromised yea right...At least AA's blow hole was a manufacturing defect.

 

[Buck]

They just have a few blow holes in the fuse due to improper maintenance. Also a fine to prove it,but safety wasn't compromised yea right...At least AA's blow hole was a manufacturing defect.

Wasn't. WN blow a 737 Convertible?

 

[Buck]

By the end the year there will be a total of 75, 757's along with some 767's and MD80's at the later date.

 

[Birdman]

By the end the year there will be a total of 75, 757's along with some 767's and MD80's at the later date.

???

 

[Buck]

???

These numbers are from a contract with the vendor at ROW.

 

[Birdman]

These numbers are from a contract with the vendor at ROW.

So your talking about a long term storage contract at Roswell?

 

[Buck]

So your talking about a long term storage contract at Roswell?

No I believe it was an end of life event for AA. Other operations could use them.

 

[eolesen]

The only vendor I know out at ROW is storage. I've driven around the airport at ROW, and don't remember a MRO out there...

 

[Buck]

The only vendor I know out at ROW is storage. I've driven around the airport at ROW, and don't remember a MRO out there...

No sorry, I meant to indicate that another operation as in FEDX or UPS.

 

[eolesen]

That wouldn't surprise me, although I can't see the MD80 being a great airframe for freighter mods..

 

[Buck]

Anyone heard any feedback on the overhauls at TIMCO?

I keep hearing rumors but nothing from the company.

 

[eolesen]

On a related note to the original topic...... I just found an old hardcopy of the M&E Plans Book from 1999....

In Section 12 - Economics... they have a table for the learning curve on major base visits & mod programs.

Aircraft Sequence      Multiplier
-----------------      ----------

 Initial               2.44x
 Second                1.95
 #3                    1.76
 #4                    1.56
 #5                    1.48
 #6                    1.41
 #7                    1.33
 #8                    1.25
 #9                    1.22
 #10                   1.19
 #11                   1.16
 #12                   1.13
 #13                   1.09
 #14                   1.06
 #15                   1.03
 #16                   1.00

This table is for planning purposes only. It is intended for use prior to
the start of new check lines and mod programs and is based on the
estimated level-off man hours required.

These numbers are based on worse case learning curve possibilities.

Man-hour costs level off at the sixteenth aircraft when using the
same work crew with nose-to-tail schedules. Use the same table for 
each production line when more than one line is involved in the 
same program.

In all the haste to condemn how long it took for the first or second checks compared to an experienced line, perhaps you might want to reconsider... If AA has to admit it takes 2.4x more time in TUL or AFW for a first check, then it is a fair bet that it would take at least 2.5x to maybe 3x as long for the first check.

 

[Buck]

On a related note.... I just found an old hardcopy of the M&E Plans Book....

Aircraft Sequence      Multiplier
-----------------      ----------

 Initial               2.44x
 Second                1.95
 #3                    1.76
 #4                    1.56
 #5                    1.48
 #6                    1.41
 #7                    1.33
 #8                    1.25
 #9                    1.22
 #10                   1.19
 #11                   1.16
 #12                   1.13
 #13                   1.09
 #14                   1.06
 #15                   1.03
 #16                   1.00

This table is for planning purposes only. It is intended for use prior to the start of new check lines and mod programs and is based on the estimated level-off man hours required.

These numbers are based on worse case learning curve possibilities.

Man-hour costs level off at the sixteenth aircraft when using the same work crew with nose-to-tail schedules. Use the same table for each production line when more than one line is involved in the same program.

Learning curves are fine, however management must learn also.