Flight Attendants' Voices Heard: Hell No!

[FlyUs]

That's my point. Could US Airways drag this out for a year or two? How much money will the F/A's lose during the process? With energy prices rising and the company under more economic stress with less money to pay employees the F/A's will now try to negotiate during a down economic cycle. Could this TA vote back fire? How will Gerry McGuckin react?

And, what about the time value of money? The time value of money is an idea that money available at the present time is worth more than the same amount in the future due to its potential earning capacity. This core principle of finance holds that, provided money can earn interest, any amount of money is worth more the sooner it is received. Or another way to put this allows the valuation of a likely stream of income in the future, in such a way that the annual incomes are discounted and then added together, thus providing a lump-sum "present value" of the entire income stream.

What about a seniority list integration with AA and APFA? In the short-term US Airways will be more profitable and if AA and US Airways merge the US Airways F/As could have a bankruptcy era contract for probably their first non DOH seniority integration per McCaskill-Bond. How could this effect the US Airways F/A's seniority integration with AA?

This could be very interesting to watch.

This has nothing to do with a potential merger with AA. Who cares about that. Tempe can't even get this merger finished

 

[signals]

It's great to see a real, eh-hem, union at US. Please don't become EAFA and WAFA 🙄

 

[mrbreeze]

That's my point. Could US Airways drag this out for a year or two? How much money will the F/A's lose during the process? With energy prices rising and the company under more economic stress with less money to pay employees the F/A's will now try to negotiate during a down economic cycle. Could this TA vote back fire? How will Gerry McGuckin react?

And, what about the time value of money? The time value of money is an idea that money available at the present time is worth more than the same amount in the future due to its potential earning capacity. This core principle of finance holds that, provided money can earn interest, any amount of money is worth more the sooner it is received. Or another way to put this allows the valuation of a likely stream of income in the future, in such a way that the annual incomes are discounted and then added together, thus providing a lump-sum "present value" of the entire income stream.

What about a seniority list integration with AA and APFA? In the short-term US Airways will be more profitable and if AA and US Airways merge the US Airways F/As could have a bankruptcy era contract for probably their first non DOH seniority integration per McCaskill-Bond. How could this effect the US Airways F/A's seniority integration with AA?

This could be very interesting to watch.

320,

You remind me of an old friend of mine that I have know all my life and we are still good friends.

A few years ago we were on a float trip back home in Arkansas. It was spring time and because of the rains, the river was really rolling along that day, so much so that we all had our life jackets on. Of the 6 canoes on the river, my friend was in the front and I was in the back of our canoe.

At one point in the river we hit an area we were hauling ### down the river and I have to admit, it got pretty exciting. My friend just absolutely freaked out, yelling out that we were taking on water....he jumped to one side of the canoe and started paddeling like crazy.......it was all that I could do to balance the canoe and counter his actions so that we didn't go under. Is that the way you operate?

Later, I found out that he never learned how to swim.

With all of your posts here and on the pilot's discussions, I have to ask, " can you swim?" Or are you just afraid of everything coming down the pike?

Whether you can swim or not, why spread the fear to the masses? Most of them are good swimmers and don't need your histeria.

breeze

 

[700UW]

320,

Why dont you worry about your pilots and yourself and let the FAs do as they please, its their choice, not yours.

Oh wait, your fellow pilots laugh at you anyhow and have no respect for you.

 

[mrbreeze]

320,

Why dont you worry about your pilots and yourself and let the FAs do as they please, its their choice, not yours.

Oh wait, your fellow pilots laugh at you anyhow and have no respect for you.

true

breeze

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

That's my point. Could US Airways drag this out for a year or two? How much money will the F/A's lose during the process? With energy prices rising and the company under more economic stress with less money to pay employees the F/A's will now try to negotiate during a down economic cycle. Could this TA vote back fire? How will Gerry McGuckin react?

And, what about the time value of money? The time value of money is an idea that money available at the present time is worth more than the same amount in the future due to its potential earning capacity. This core principle of finance holds that, provided money can earn interest, any amount of money is worth more the sooner it is received. Or another way to put this allows the valuation of a likely stream of income in the future, in such a way that the annual incomes are discounted and then added together, thus providing a lump-sum "present value" of the entire income stream.

What about a seniority list integration with AA and APFA? In the short-term US Airways will be more profitable and if AA and US Airways merge the US Airways F/As could have a bankruptcy era contract for probably their first non DOH seniority integration per McCaskill-Bond. How could this effect the US Airways F/A's seniority integration with AA?

This could be very interesting to watch.

What if you get scared half to death twice? Don't let your mind wander 320 it is way to little to be out alone!

 

[SparrowHawk]

Interesting to hear the usual blather from our erstwhile pilot and the usual suspects. As an outsider I see things a bit differently.

1. For the first time since I've been around the F/A's grew a pair of nuts and said no. They did this all by their lonesome as the pilots can't even agree to disagree, much less mount an assault upon wages and work rules that are at the rock bottom of the Industry.

2. Whether this path is a path to a better tomorrow remains to be seen. However NINETY PERCENT voted and SEVENTY FIVE percent told Doug to "bugger off" in no uncertain terms. So I applaud you all for that.

3. People here in the States are pissed off in general as they feel they're getting shafted left and right by the left & right. NO ONE speaks for the average Jane/Joe who gets up at 0:dark thirty to get you on your way, on time. So now what we have in this vote is people saying "F*ck You! We don't know if we are right but "F*ck You just the same"!

People laugh and make fun of the Occupy Wall Street, Tea Party and Ron Paul crowd, while I applaud them and support them (Mostly Dr Paul).

I'm not a big pro union guy never have been, but your actions just "feel right" to me. This is YOUR time, go for it! It's time for all of the US to, Wake Up!, Wise Up and Rise Up! You've done all three. IMO you did good, not just for yourselves but for all who draw a paycheck.

 

[EastUS1]

That's my point. Could US Airways drag this out for a year or two? How much money will the F/A's lose during the process? With energy prices rising and the company under more economic stress with less money to pay employees the F/A's will now try to negotiate during a down economic cycle. Could this TA vote back fire? How will Gerry McGuckin react?

And, what about the time value of money? The time value of money is an idea that money available at the present time is worth more than the same amount in the future due to its potential earning capacity. This core principle of finance holds that, provided money can earn interest, any amount of money is worth more the sooner it is received. Or another way to put this allows the valuation of a likely stream of income in the future, in such a way that the annual incomes are discounted and then added together, thus providing a lump-sum "present value" of the entire income stream.

What about a seniority list integration with AA and APFA? In the short-term US Airways will be more profitable and if AA and US Airways merge the US Airways F/As could have a bankruptcy era contract for probably their first non DOH seniority integration per McCaskill-Bond. How could this effect the US Airways F/A's seniority integration with AA?

This could be very interesting to watch.

"This could be very interesting to watch." Not nearly so "interesting" as was your, years ago breakdown, leaving you literally muttering "Armegeddon!, Armageddon!", with big crocodile tears streaming down your face. Apparently; any group or entity evidencing any semblance of a spine is utterly anathematic to such as yourself.

My salute to the FA's for both the turnout and the courage to stand up against the incessant rapine and pillage.

 

[mrbreeze]

Interesting to hear the usual blather from our erstwhile pilot and the usual suspects. As an outsider I see things a bit differently.

1. For the first time since I've been around the F/A's grew a pair of nuts and said no. They did this all by their lonesome as the pilots can't even agree to disagree, much less mount an assault upon wages and work rules that are at the rock bottom of the Industry.

2. Whether this path is a path to a better tomorrow remains to be seen. However NINETY PERCENT voted and SEVENTY FIVE percent told Doug to "bugger off" in no uncertain terms. So I applaud you all for that.

3. People here in the States are pissed off in general as they feel they're getting shafted left and right by the left & right. NO ONE speaks for the average Jane/Joe who gets up at 0:dark thirty to get you on your way, on time. So now what we have in this vote is people saying "F*ck You! We don't know if we are right but "F*ck You j
People laugh and make fun of the Occupy Wall Street, Tea Party and Ron Paul crowd, while I applaud them and support them (Mostly Dr Paul).

I'm not a big pro union guy never have been, but your actions just "feel right" to me. This is YOUR time, go for it! It's time for all of the US to, Wake Up!, Wise Up and Rise Up! You've done all three. IMO you did good, not just for yourselves but for all who draw a paycheck.

SH,

Look at the similiarities in the voting numbers of the TA by the flight attendants and the recent USAPA election.....almost identical. It's the same story over there that we have been preaching for years. The FA's stood up and gave it a voice whereas in the pilot's dispute, we are muzzled by the courts. I am proud of the way my brothers and sisters in the AFA have stood up to management, my hat is off to them.

breeze

 

[Zone5]

320,

Why dont you worry about your pilots and yourself and let the FAs do as they please, its their choice, not yours.

Oh wait, your fellow pilots laugh at you anyhow and have no respect for you.

Now hold on a minute there Skippy, as a pilot, I have had to read you, incessantly droning on about how we did not support your last job action, all the while contributing little to nothing to the discussion going on over at the pilot labor forum. If you can pontificate on the pilot labor forum, why can't a pilot express an opinion here. Not being a flight attendant doesn't seem to slow you down posting here, nor should it!


seajay

 

[Pi brat]

That's my point. Could US Airways drag this out for a year or two? How much money will the F/A's lose during the process? With energy prices rising and the company under more economic stress with less money to pay employees the F/A's will now try to negotiate during a down economic cycle. Could this TA vote back fire? How will Gerry McGuckin react?

And, what about the time value of money? The time value of money is an idea that money available at the present time is worth more than the same amount in the future due to its potential earning capacity. This core principle of finance holds that, provided money can earn interest, any amount of money is worth more the sooner it is received. Or another way to put this allows the valuation of a likely stream of income in the future, in such a way that the annual incomes are discounted and then added together, thus providing a lump-sum "present value" of the entire income stream.

What about a seniority list integration with AA and APFA? In the short-term US Airways will be more profitable and if AA and US Airways merge the US Airways F/As could have a bankruptcy era contract for probably their first non DOH seniority integration per McCaskill-Bond. How could this effect the US Airways F/A's seniority integration with AA?

This could be very interesting to watch.

Interesting? Yeah, but this place hasn't been boring for a while.

Let me give you a little insight from the one I live with. She doesn't care. She was not willing to take the small gain for give, for a 5 year contract that would probably turn into a 7-10 year one. Especially after watching this company find every loophole for the last decade.

 

[USA320Pilot]

I'm not afraid, I know how to swim, and I was a pilot conducting/directing Test & Evaluation flights at the Naval Air Test Center.

Here are some more facts:

1. The AFA saying "no" improves the company's bottom line.

2. The AFA saying "no" provides all employees with a greater opportunity for higher profit sharing.

3. The AFA saying "no" could motivate the NMB to park the AFA's negotiations like they did with the pilots because of the voting disparity.

4. The AFA saying "no" could cause new negotiations to drag on where the F/As might end up with a higher hourly rate and less money because of the time value of money.

5. The AFA saying "no" could create a seniority integration risk as described by their JNC.

 

[700UW]

"This could be very interesting to watch." Not nearly so "interesting" as was your, years ago breakdown, leaving you literally muttering "Armegeddon!, Armageddon!", with big crocodile tears streaming down your face. Apparently; any group or entity evidencing any semblance of a spine is utterly anathematic to such as yourself.

My salute to the FA's for both the turnout and the courage to stand up against the incessant rapine and pillage.

He did the same thing with IAM Mechanic and Related, when we voted down the first concessions in chapter 11 part I, then said we would lose the airbus arbitration, and kept harping on it and he was yet wrong again, the IAM prevailed.

He is threatened by any other work group that might "tank" the company.

Dont you all remember is Charlotte Observer OP-ED piece that he chastised the IAM and the CWA and his own union had to put out a press release disavowing him.

I still have the OP-ED piece saved on my desktop, lol.

He will come back and say the IAM go mad at ALPA and ALPA only did it to appease the IAM, which we all know is total BS.

He's not just a member, he is the president, lol!

 

[700UW]

Because he cries "the sky is falling, the sky is falling".

We have read his diatribe for years now, back to his old screen name he had and ran to admin to change his moniker as US prohibited identifying yourself as an employee of US on a message board is a no no.

ICT, UCT, wrong as usual all the time, he is trying to spread fear and misinformation to scare the FAs and I will speak up against him whenever I need too.

His secret SEC violations with his "cockpit chat" with Dave Siegel, with Siegel telling him everything US was gonna do, lol!

 

[USA320Pilot]

700UW you're clueless and you make false statements. But, what's new? And, you can never admit when you're wrong. Lol. Back to ignoring you.