Flight Attendants' Voices Heard: Hell No!

[SparrowHawk]

Any union is only as strong as it's weakest members.... 75.4%. Solidarity is a powerful commodity.

Why can't I make extremely good observations in one sentence like you just did? Well Said!

 

[nycbusdriver]

Because he cries "the sky is falling, the sky is falling".

We have read his diatribe for years now, back to his old screen name he had and ran to admin to change his moniker as US prohibited identifying yourself as an employee of US on a message board is a no no.

ICT, UCT, wrong as usual all the time, he is trying to spread fear and misinformation to scare the FAs and I will speak up against him whenever I need too.

His secret SEC violations with his "cockpit chat" with Dave Siegel, with Siegel telling him everything US was gonna do, lol!

700UW you're clueless and you make false statements. But, what's new? And, you can never admit when you're wrong. Lol. Back to ignoring you.

I rarely agree with 700UW, but this time he is spot on correct.

 

[flyus2]

Nice avoidance of the fact that you work for documented LIARS!

Tell me how 2 beers gets you over the legal limit?

Kirby's quote regarding the abject failure of the Res Migration.

These are but two examples of how Tempe wouldn't know or speak the truth if they had to. Clearly I'm not sharing all that I know. The reason is I will NOT betray a confidence to prove a point. Just because Tempe is a cabal of Liars, Cheat & Thieves doesn't mean I have to stoop to their level,

Bottom line is they can't be trusted. Not by a Customer or an Employee. You also forget the F/A's could drive the airline to its knees with CHAOS and an outright walk out. This vote sends a message that many are likely perfectly fine with the notion of "Full Pay to the Last Day"

As much as I hate to say it, I think the time has come for Labor to put US Airways out of business and it pains me greatly to say this.

Oh dear....it pains you greatly to say that? "Time for Labor to put US Airways out of business?" Oh yes, 20,000 employees including clerks, secretaries, analysts in the unemployment line while the Tempe cabal of "Liars, Cheats & Thieves" grab their millions and go home to a nice life? Are you kidding me?

The Flight Attendants stood up to Management and will go back and fight for what they deserve. Every group has the right to do that and should do that......but to drive the business to the ground because you are unhappy? Then leave. No one is holding anyone here hostage!!!

 

[EastUS1]

I think it's a good thing that wages are staying level.

When any member of any labor group can actually find some recess of the mind from which to state the above....well....nothing further needs be said therein, now or ever..........

Again; my salute to the FA group for both the turnout and their demonstrated resolve to not just accept whatever questionable scraps Tempe first sees fit to toss from management's greed-soaked table.

 

[mrbreeze]

When any member of any labor group can actually find some recess of the mind from which to state the above....well....nothing further needs be said therein, now or ever..........

Again; my salute to the FA group for both the turnout and their demonstrated resolve to not just accept whatever questionable scraps Tempe first sees fit to toss from management's greed-soaked table.

precisely and exactly on the money.

breeze

 

[mrbreeze]

I'm not afraid, I know how to swim, and I was a pilot conducting/directing Test & Evaluation flights at the Naval Air Test Center.

Here are some more facts:

1. The AFA saying "no" improves the company's bottom line.

2. The AFA saying "no" provides all employees with a greater opportunity for higher profit sharing.

3. The AFA saying "no" could motivate the NMB to park the AFA's negotiations like they did with the pilots because of the voting disparity.

4. The AFA saying "no" could cause new negotiations to drag on where the F/As might end up with a higher hourly rate and less money because of the time value of money.

5. The AFA saying "no" could create a seniority integration risk as described by their JNC.

OMG!!!!

Please,....let's try a different analagy. Try to pay attention, it really isn't that hard.

We are in this boat together where we either sink or swim......

Oh, nevermind. The problem is that you want the only life preserver on any ship.....even one that holds 2500 passengers. Screw everyone else.

You and Jim are cast from the same mold. Why don't you move your computer into Jim's house where you can both sit there and try to sell your poison together, and chain smoke yourselves into oblivion. Of course, then you guys would be fighting as to who got to turn on the computer, who got to go take a pee first, and who was the best at screwing your brothers. I think that's a perfect retirement for both of you.....you deserve each other.

breeze

 

[crazystnic]

I'm not afraid, I know how to swim, and I was a pilot conducting/directing Test & Evaluation flights at the Naval Air Test Center.

Here are some more facts:

1. The AFA saying "no" improves the company's bottom line.

2. The AFA saying "no" provides all employees with a greater opportunity for higher profit sharing.

3. The AFA saying "no" could motivate the NMB to park the AFA's negotiations like they did with the pilots because of the voting disparity.

4. The AFA saying "no" could cause new negotiations to drag on where the F/As might end up with a higher hourly rate and less money because of the time value of money.

5. The AFA saying "no" could create a seniority integration risk as described by their JNC.

Please stop. You are making such an ass of yourself. grow a spine.....

I don't pretend to tell the fa's what to do.

They showed up in mass and said, he'll no

No surprise the bartender in clt had a straw poll going and the results are right in line.

Bottom line the deal sucked and I'm sure the strong fa's are not wondering what if.

 

[CallawayGolf]

When any member of any labor group can actually find some recess of the mind from which to state the above....well....nothing further needs be said therein, now or ever..........

Right; because you sure wouldn't want represented labor groups to use math, finance and reasoning skills to evaluate their situations against the company's financial condition and the macro-economic environment. Far better to pretend that the Comapny has an endless supply of money to make every employee fabulously wealthy.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

700UW,

1. Who said the sky was falling ? You or me? I certainly did not. Can you show me where I typed those words?

2. I changed my screen name because US Airways changed its policy and I elected to be in compliance with company directives. In fact, at the time I was the only person with the courage to identify them self. I have sent you PMs asking you to identify your self to me and you refuse to do so. I wonder why?

3. Dave Siegel never violated SEC rulings on my jumpseat. Nor did I. And, if he did how would you know? Were you there? Are you making up false statements again?

4. Everything I wrote about the ICT and UCT, which US Airways used the code word of "Project Minnow" was accurate. I have posted news media links published after I broke the story and you still refuse to acknowledge the proposed deal. How come? Can't admit you're wrong?

Can you tell us why Dan Fitzpatrick of the PIT Post-Gazette wrote in an article titled "US Airways could be next in line for merger" United and US Airways have discussed a tie-up before. In 2000, in fact, the U.S. Justice Department nixed a proposed merger on antitrust grounds. Later, when David Siegel was CEO of US Airways, the carrier considered a takeover of United after emerging from its first bankruptcy. The option was code-named "Project Minnow," with US Airways as the small fish gobbling the bigger one?"

Click here to read the story. And, there are three other articles on this subject too...all written after I broke the news.

Instead of debating each of my facts you choose to shoot the messenger. Why? You cannot debate the facts.

I'm not going to respond to you. If you want to have a mature discussion instead of making personal comments or shooting the messenger I will do that, but I'm not going to be involved discussing false statements or have an immature discussion.

FACTS?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Right; because you sure wouldn't want represented labor groups to use math, finance and reasoning skills to evaluate their situations against the company's financial condition and the macro-economic environment. Far better to pretend that the Comapny has an endless supply of money to make every employee fabulously wealthy.

What is Comapny ? Besides when was an employee's even remote thought the company's, their job to manage our job to be employee's , Your attitude is why the contract was destroyed, our company is ENRON for aviation DUI DOUG has put us here! It will get worse count on it! MM!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Right; because you sure wouldn't want represented labor groups to use math, finance and reasoning skills to evaluate their situations against the company's financial condition and the macro-economic environment. Far better to pretend that the Comapny has an endless supply of money to make every employee fabulously wealthy.

Well do the MATH! How much is our Dto E ratio besides our" OH TOOK THE HIT " restricted cash, do you know what that means? MM! MNGMNT NEEDS TO GO! DUI DOUG !

 

[mrbreeze]

Right; because you sure wouldn't want represented labor groups to use math, finance and reasoning skills to evaluate their situations against the company's financial condition and the macro-economic environment. Far better to pretend that the Comapny has an endless supply of money to make every employee fabulously wealthy.

There it is again.....that regional airline, Mesa mentality. Jeez

 

[Pi brat]

No cancellation pay and loss of up to two weeks of vacation for some FA's is a great start for what's "so bad."

Clueless, as usual.

 

[JAMAKE1]

It should have only been 3 years not 5 with a company with such a poor negotiating track record. I would have also wanted 3% raises at the end until another one was negotiated. The language that left things to schedulings descretion needed to be eliminated. I am still not a fan of PBS and this could also go. Considering what separating from the pilots was going to save them, they didnt give any to me. Regardless of what the union says I would rather be covered by pilot rest regs which are FARS than by something the union negotiates that can be violated at will. Parity for the west should have been the cost of doing business not something that was paid for by the East. Profit sharing was given to the west as a good will gesture by our union. It would have never happened if we got to vote on it. Not because the west doesnt deserve it, they do but because what good will has management shown either side in the past 7 years. The west does have some good things in their contract like STD, better vacation, trip cancellation pay, and they were giving these up for money. It was cost neutral at best. I hate the fact that our west f/a's are so underpaid, but this is Doug and Co. not me. He should be embarrassed that they have a food bank. I am not on reserve so I dont know much about the system, but I do know the people on reserve were not impressed with what was offered. These are only a few reasons, Im sure other people will chime in with more. Im sure if they want to merge with AMR they will get a grip and sweeten the pot.
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Thank you for sharing specific concerns about the TA. It pleases me to see that the US membership carefully scrutinized the language in the TA rather than just seeing mere dollar signs in a slight uptick of hourly rates. Trip cancellation pay would be a no-go item in my book. I must say that I am impressed by the numbers that turned out to cast their vote and furthermore, by the strong numbers who voted against this TA. I wish you all the best of luck in securing a much-deserved better deal.

 

[EastUS1]

Right; because you sure wouldn't want represented labor groups to use math, finance and reasoning skills to evaluate their situations against the company's financial condition and the macro-economic environment. Far better to pretend that the Comapny has an endless supply of money to make every employee fabulously wealthy.

So...you feel that zero increases in wages should be acceptable, nay, not only acceptable but, in your words " good", merely to hedge against some, as yet imaginary, future conditions!!??...Sigh! I suppose that even any cost of living increases should be forever forgone...after all...none should "dare" risk any glorious, corporate entity's complete well being!... most especially those with such bloated management as are sucking up many millions for themselves!! You can't possibly be even the least bit serious...and yet be capable of walking upright, possessed of opposable thumbs and ANY, even slight semblance of a "brain"! Let supposed management manage...it is, after all, what they harvest their absurd riches for supposedly doing...and don't so continuously flatter yourself as to even fantasize that your thinking or concerns ever enter into theirs.....You're nothing but a small drop of red ink to them.

PS: Why don't you immediately just go suggest that your group work for half of what's now taken in?...Perhaps even for free? After all...one must keep such a thriving entity alive and well....and hedge the future against ALL possible downsides, at whatever cost....no?