Flight Attendants' Voices Heard: Hell No!

[mrbreeze]

I'm not afraid, I know how to swim, and I was a pilot conducting/directing Test & Evaluation flights at the Naval Air Test Center.

Here are some more facts:

1. The AFA saying "no" improves the company's bottom line.

2. The AFA saying "no" provides all employees with a greater opportunity for higher profit sharing.

3. The AFA saying "no" could motivate the NMB to park the AFA's negotiations like they did with the pilots because of the voting disparity.

4. The AFA saying "no" could cause new negotiations to drag on where the F/As might end up with a higher hourly rate and less money because of the time value of money.

5. The AFA saying "no" could create a seniority integration risk as described by their JNC.

Yes, maybe some of those risks could happen in a worst case scenario, but damn, man, when it's wrong, it's wrong. Didn't they teach you that in the Navy? Don't you re-learn that every time you go though CQT? Or are you like the Egypt Air pilot yelling "Praise Allah" all the way into the ocean, regardless of what your friends and co-workers have been telling you for years?

Your crying wolf at every turn is not warranted here.....totally out of line.

breeze

 

[USA320Pilot]

US Airways Flight Attendants Do Not Ratify Tentative Agreement

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US Airways flight attendants reject tentative deal

US Airways Chairman and CEO Doug Parker said in a written statement that the airline is disappointed by the vote. He said the company will consult with the union and the National Mediation Board "to determine the best steps going forward to one day reach a ratified agreement."

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US Airways flight attendants reject tentative pact

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US Airways Flight Attendants Reject Tentative Contract

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[700UW]

700UW you're clueless and you make false statements. But, what's new? And, you can never admit when you're wrong. Lol. Back to ignoring you.

Come Mr "professional", nothing I posted was false, if so, then prove me wrong, oh wait you cant.

 

[Pi brat]

I'm not afraid, I know how to swim, and I was a pilot conducting/directing Test & Evaluation flights at the Naval Air Test Center.

Here are some more facts:

1. The AFA saying "no" improves the company's bottom line.

2. The AFA saying "no" provides all employees with a greater opportunity for higher profit sharing.

3. The AFA saying "no" could motivate the NMB to park the AFA's negotiations like they did with the pilots because of the voting disparity.

4. The AFA saying "no" could cause new negotiations to drag on where the F/As might end up with a higher hourly rate and less money because of the time value of money.

5. The AFA saying "no" could create a seniority integration risk as described by their JNC.

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[luvthe9]

700UW you're clueless and you make false statements. But, what's new? And, you can never admit when you're wrong. Lol. Back to ignoring you.

Pot meet kettle!!!!!!!!

 

[Zone5]

Interesting to hear the usual blather from our erstwhile pilot and the usual suspects. As an outsider I see things a bit differently.

1. For the first time since I've been around the F/A's grew a pair of nuts and said no. They did this all by their lonesome as the pilots can't even agree to disagree, much less mount an assault upon wages and work rules that are at the rock bottom of the Industry.

2. Whether this path is a path to a better tomorrow remains to be seen. However NINETY PERCENT voted and SEVENTY FIVE percent told Doug to "bugger off" in no uncertain terms. So I applaud you all for that.

3. People here in the States are pissed off in general as they feel they're getting shafted left and right by the left & right. NO ONE speaks for the average Jane/Joe who gets up at 0:dark thirty to get you on your way, on time. So now what we have in this vote is people saying "F*ck You! We don't know if we are right but "F*ck You just the same"!

People laugh and make fun of the Occupy Wall Street, Tea Party and Ron Paul crowd, while I applaud them and support them (Mostly Dr Paul).

I'm not a big pro union guy never have been, but your actions just "feel right" to me. This is YOUR time, go for it! It's time for all of the US to, Wake Up!, Wise Up and Rise Up! You've done all three. IMO you did good, not just for yourselves but for all who draw a paycheck.

I too applaud the FA's both for the high voter turnout and the resounding message to "Dougie", NYET!

Might I humbly offer the following advice regarding negotiations going forward; If "Team Tempe" puts a contract on the table, smiles and says this is really good for you, you should sign it. You can bet that it is CONCESSIONARY! It's all about smoke and mirrors with them and they are good at it. If they offer you a pay raise, it is paid for (and then some) somewhere in the rest of the contract. If there is an item in the contract that can even remotely be "creatively interpreted" to benefit them, it will be. The pilots currently have some 500 open grievances with this management team, you don't want to sign anything that might take you there! Cross ALL the T's and dot ALL the I's, know what every word "really" means and leave them no wiggle room. A pledge from them to "make a best effort" in some manner over a potential issue, means nothing to them and it shouldn't to you either!

All the best going forward and congratulations on standing your ground and demanding better.


seajay

 

[Move2CLT]

Good luck getting a new TA anytime soon. I hope this isn't a case of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Really interested in what was so bad about that contract. I read through it and thought it had some really good work rules. Would really be interested to hear some specific items that caused the no vote and what (realistic) changes would have resulted in a yes vote.

No cancellation pay and loss of up to two weeks of vacation for some FA's is a great start for what's "so bad."

 

[USA320Pilot]

700UW,

1. Who said the sky was falling ? You or me? I certainly did not. Can you show me where I typed those words?

2. I changed my screen name because US Airways changed its policy and I elected to be in compliance with company directives. In fact, at the time I was the only person with the courage to identify them self. I have sent you PMs asking you to identify your self to me and you refuse to do so. I wonder why?

3. Dave Siegel never violated SEC rulings on my jumpseat. Nor did I. And, if he did how would you know? Were you there? Are you making up false statements again?

4. Everything I wrote about the ICT and UCT, which US Airways used the code word of "Project Minnow" was accurate. I have posted news media links published after I broke the story and you still refuse to acknowledge the proposed deal. How come? Can't admit you're wrong?

Can you tell us why Dan Fitzpatrick of the PIT Post-Gazette wrote in an article titled "US Airways could be next in line for merger" United and US Airways have discussed a tie-up before. In 2000, in fact, the U.S. Justice Department nixed a proposed merger on antitrust grounds. Later, when David Siegel was CEO of US Airways, the carrier considered a takeover of United after emerging from its first bankruptcy. The option was code-named "Project Minnow," with US Airways as the small fish gobbling the bigger one?"

Click here to read the story. And, there are three other articles on this subject too...all written after I broke the news.

Instead of debating each of my facts you choose to shoot the messenger. Why? You cannot debate the facts.

I'm not going to respond to you. If you want to have a mature discussion instead of making personal comments or shooting the messenger I will do that, but I'm not going to be involved discussing false statements or have an immature discussion.

 

[mrbreeze]

Come Mr "professional", nothing I posted was false, if so, then prove me wrong, oh wait you cant.

Agreed, too many of us know the truth as to what took place back then.

breeze

 

[SparrowHawk]

Has anyone but me noticed who has NOT posted on this thread? NONE of the "Doug Parker is my personal Lord & Savior" types have been posting here today. Awaiting for orders from the Mother Ship perhaps?

This comment from Zone5 pretty much lays it out and the apologists like HPearlyretardee, Callaway Gold, UPNAWAY can't deny the truth. Spin the truth? yeah, Deny it? NOPE!

If "Team Tempe" puts a contract on the table, smiles and says this is really good for you, you should sign it. You can bet that it is CONCESSIONARY! It's all about smoke and mirrors with them and they are good at it. If they offer you a pay raise, it is paid for (and then some) somewhere in the rest of the contract. If there is an item in the contract that can even remotely be "creatively interpreted" to benefit them, it will be. The pilots currently have some 500 open grievances with this management team, you don't want to sign anything that might take you there! Cross ALL the T's and dot ALL the I's, know what every word "really" means and leave them no wiggle room. A pledge from them to "make a best effort" in some manner over a potential issue, means nothing to them and it shouldn't to you either!

I will tell you from my own personal experience that Tempe LIES. If they lie to a customer then they'll lie to anyone. If truthfulness was recorded on a spreadsheet and submitted to the DOT and their bonuses were pegged to it, then they'd be truthful. Otherwise you have to go into a conversation/negotiation with the assumption that every word is a lie and usually it is.

 

[Harry Callahan]

First off way to go to our f/a's. I only wish my group would do this.

Now wonder how many Dougwiser is having this evening 🙄

 

[CallawayGolf]

Has anyone but me noticed who has NOT posted on this thread? NONE of the "Doug Parker is my personal Lord & Savior" types have been posting here today. Awaiting for orders from the Mother Ship perhaps?

This comment from Zone5 pretty much lays it out and the apologists like HPearlyretardee, Callaway Gold, UPNAWAY can't deny the truth. Spin the truth? yeah, Deny it? NOPE!


I will tell you from my own personal experience that Tempe LIES. If they lie to a customer then they'll lie to anyone. If truthfulness was recorded on a spreadsheet and submitted to the DOT and their bonuses were pegged to it, then they'd be truthful. Otherwise you have to go into a conversation/negotiation with the assumption that every word is a lie and usually it is.

What's there to say? I support people's right to vote any way they want to. If the FAs want a raise then they need to ratifiy a contract. If they don't want anything better than the status quo then they can keep voting no over and over again. In this environment where fuel costs are spiking up and the experts are predicting a return to 2008 levels, I think it's a good thing that wages are staying level. An expensive new contract might just yield far less money for the FAs if concessions are once again needed in a few months. Solvency is better for everybody in comparison to a needlessly inflated contract that puts jobs and the airline at risk.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

I'm not afraid, I know how to swim, and I was a pilot conducting/directing Test & Evaluation flights at the Naval Air Test Center.

Who cares. You completely missed the analogy. Just like always. How are those hair plugs doing?

Here are some more facts:

1. The AFA saying "no" improves the company's bottom line.

Yeah, like you will be able to measure it. With a tentative "giving" a 1% raise per year over five years, I am certain the company will be able to buy another aircraft with the excess profit.

2. The AFA saying "no" provides all employees with a greater opportunity for higher profit sharing.

Again, will that increase be in pennies or green stamps?

3. The AFA saying "no" could motivate the NMB to park the AFA's negotiations like they did with the pilots because of the voting disparity.

Indeed, parking will work, with a merger just around the corner. </s> and, the pilot's got "parked" for other reasons.

4. The AFA saying "no" could cause new negotiations to drag on where the F/As might end up with a higher hourly rate and less money because of the time value of money.

Your idea of the "time value of money" is somewhat at odds with actual financial people. In addition, some people value their life.

5. The AFA saying "no" could create a seniority integration risk as described by their JNC.

Please elucidate your particular "understanding" of "seniority integration risk". If your understanding is anything like your understanding of "time value of money" then I think we can assume you know very little about the subject.

 

[SparrowHawk]

What's there to say? I support people's right to vote any way they want to. If the FAs want a raise then they need to ratifiy a contract. If they don't want anything better than the status quo then they can keep voting no over and over again. In this environment where fuel costs are spiking up and the experts are predicting a return to 2008 levels, I think it's a good thing that wages are staying level. An expensive new contract might just yield far less money for the FAs if concessions are once again needed in a few months. Solvency is better for everybody in comparison to a needlessly inflated contract that puts jobs and the airline at risk.

Nice avoidance of the fact that you work for documented LIARS!

Tell me how 2 beers gets you over the legal limit?

Kirby's quote regarding the abject failure of the Res Migration.

These are but two examples of how Tempe wouldn't know or speak the truth if they had to. Clearly I'm not sharing all that I know. The reason is I will NOT betray a confidence to prove a point. Just because Tempe is a cabal of Liars, Cheat & Thieves doesn't mean I have to stoop to their level,

Bottom line is they can't be trusted. Not by a Customer or an Employee. You also forget the F/A's could drive the airline to its knees with CHAOS and an outright walk out. This vote sends a message that many are likely perfectly fine with the notion of "Full Pay to the Last Day"

As much as I hate to say it, I think the time has come for Labor to put US Airways out of business and it pains me greatly to say this.

 

[Glucose Intolerant]

It's great to see a real, eh-hem, union at US. Please don't become EAFA and WAFA 🙄

Any union is only as strong as it's weakest members.... 75.4%. Solidarity is a powerful commodity.