Fly AA or Jet Blue

[Boomer]

I've been flying the competition for years, family in tow. Since we need to go North/South on the East Coast, we get there quicker and know we will be boarded without flying thousands of miles out of the way and hoping wx or mx cancellations force a bump and roll.

Tickets are cheaper: positive space. I do not have to deal with Gate Agents and an insensitive mAAnagement Group that know they can treat me, and the family, like crap because anything I say can and will be used against me by mAAnagement.

Recently, I experienced a qualifying death in the family. I grabbed the quickest route down on an OAL due to the circumstances. On the return, I requested a Bereavement Pass for the return and was told by the Local Gate and HR that I was ineligible because I did not arrive on same.

Bereavement Passes are positive space. My originating station was flying historically high Load Factors and since the OAL ticket was relatively cheap, I decided that being there was the priority and bumping a revenue pax was bad for business if I had another option that got me there sooner. A one way positive space on the return(so I could get back to work) was the option that caused the least disruption.

I rented a car and drove well over 1000 miles so that I could still be on duty at my regular shift. Managements' response: they can do that.

I find it funny that all those praising Market Forces and Free Trade will jump through hoops to excoriate another employee that does the same, AAnd, that refuses internally to accommodate an employee during a crisis even when explicitly informed about the decision making process that took into account the needs of the business.

Pi$$ Off!

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

JetBlue does not fly MIA-JFK or JFK-MIA. So, fly JB to FLL and then drive to MIA. The gas you spend for the drive with make your trip cost more on JB!!

I actually live closer to FLL so it is easier for me to fly out of FLL

No one needs his $99. But TFC does need to make an issue of it! Why, because AA does nothing right or does nothing not to screw their employees

My point is AA pretends to be giving its employees a break or a deal when actually they call it something it is not. A discounted positive space ticket that costs the same on another carrier is not a bargain or a deal. So call it what it is instead of the usual BS. Its a ticket that costs the same as a positive space ticket on jet blue.

Here's another thing you might want to think about. Maybe one of the reasons Jetblue can offer those cheap fares is all they "saved" by sending their planes to El Salvador for heavy checks. Don't know if they still do that or not but it really doesn’t matter now does it?

So I should fly AA because we do our own overhaul. That will surley make the plight of the AMT OK. Get a grip slappy nuts

While there were thousands of unemployed A&P mechanics out there JBLU was sending their aircraft to another country. At the same time you were complaining till you were blue in the face about how our profession was getting shafted by greedy companies. All I can say is how ironic

Jet blue should have hired all the unemployed A&Ps and started a overhaul base like AA. Another great idea

[/quote]A TWU member bemoan the offshoring of maintenance, yet doesn't think twice about giving his money to a company that offshored its maintenance.

I dont recall complaining about outsourceing maint. And to be quite frank if tulsa was not making AA money it would be gone. If you think that is not true then you are a fool.

The closest I could think of is a laid off GM or Ford employee going out and buying a new Kia or Scion instead of a US manufactured car, or a laid off textile worker buying all their clothes at Walmart...

The UAW used to trash foreign cars found in the employee parking lots at the assembly plants. Not sure if they still do that anymore... but at least they knew enough to realize who the real threat to their jobs was.

I would rather give the money to a company that is not arse raping me and then exspects me to give them more money to fly on their product.

If they were giving me a deal I would fly AA but they are not giving me anything that I can not get somewhere else that is either better or more convient.

:angry:

 

[eolesen]

I dont recall complaining about outsourceing maint. And to be quite frank if tulsa was not making AA money it would be gone. If you think that is not true then you are a fool.

If you really believe TUL is making AA money, you're the fool. It's never been about turning the existing maintenance bases into profit centers as much as it has been trying to offset the expense of keeping the bases.

they are not giving me anything that I can not get somewhere else that is either better or more convient.

Now there's a stand-up unionist -- buying non-union because it's more convenient or better.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

If you really believe TUL is making AA money, you're the fool. It's never been about turning the existing maintenance bases into profit centers as much as it has been trying to offset the expense of keeping the bases.
Now there's a stand-up unionist -- buying non-union because it's more convenient or better.

So I should live work and breath union. When the twu puts union first and company second then I will consider it.

When the twu brings my payscale out of the 1980's rate of pay then I will buy union.

The twu company union does not practice what it preaches nor are they held accountable for what they fail to do for its members.

As far as buying non union the USA of today with all the corporate greed and corruption its next to impossible to buy anything that is made in this country by union people. So get in your hyundai drive to walmart and go spend your hard earned american dollar.

Offset keeping the bases. If they are that much of a drain on the company or not profitable they would be gone. Why would a company who claims to be loosing millions keep something that is not a viable asset. Go back to business school or drink more cool AAide.

 

[777 fixer]

TFC
"So I should fly AA because we do our own overhaul. That will surley make the plight of the AMT OK. Get a grip slappy nuts"

All I did was point out your own hypocrisy and all you could do is call me names. How typical. All the talk about how AMT's are getting screwed and how we have to fight for what's right was just that, talk. Because when it comes right down to it you’re going to do what's best for yourself and screw everybody else.

TFC
"Jet blue should have hired all the unemployed A&Ps and started a overhaul base like AA. Another great idea"

What JBLU should or should not have done is not the issue at hand. The issue at hand is your own hypocrisy. Here's another great idea, practice what you preach.

TFC
"I dont recall complaining about outsourceing maint. And to be quite frank if tulsa was not making AA money it would be gone. If you think that is not true then you are a fool."

Really, then why did you post this link on the "Outsourcing Maintenance, The Truth" thread started by Ken M?

< http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/20..._to_happen.html >

< http://www.usaviation.com/forums/index.php...;hl=outsourcing >

The title of the article is "With overseas mechanics and overstretched inspectors, FAA oversight of the airlines is an accident....Waiting to Happen". Key word here is "overseas mechanics". One of the main themes of the article is outsourcing of maintenance. Am I missing something here? Or did someone else post this disguised as you?

 

[eolesen]

As far as buying non union the USA of today with all the corporate greed and corruption its next to impossible to buy anything that is made in this country by union people.

Let me get this straight...

Unlike a trip to Walmart, you actually had a choice to chose to buy union vs. non-union.

Yet you chose non-union and everything it stands for, which in the case of JetBlew is -- borderline union busting tactics, buying aircraft built in France or Brazil, and outsourcing maintenance to Central America.


And you really expect the public to take unions seriously?


You obviously don't have the character and balls to choose union when given an easy choice, so what happens when the decision is a little more difficult, like chosing your paycheck and food on the table vs. honoring a picket line???


ps: hope you really enjoy those blue chips. I'm sure they're probably made by illegal immigrants, which will should you feel even better about your purchasing decisions.

 

[777 fixer]

Let me get this straight...

Unlike a trip to Walmart, you actually had a choice to chose to buy union vs. non-union.

Yet you chose non-union and everything it stands for, which in the case of JetBlew is -- borderline union busting tactics, buying aircraft built in France or Brazil, and outsourcing maintenance to Central America.

It's a rather simple case of do as I say, not as I do.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

Yet you chose non-union and everything it stands for, which in the case of JetBlew is -- borderline union busting tactics, buying aircraft built in France or Brazil, and outsourcing maintenance to Central America.

So you are telling me that everything that I purchase in my lifetime should be a union product. Or are you saying only the obvious choices such as a jet blue ticket.

You could not be held to the same practice yet you exspect anyone who is pro union to do it.

When I shop for produce in the supermarket I will make sure the drivers who brought it there are union.

What JBLU should or should not have done is not the issue at hand. The issue at hand is your own hypocrisy. Here's another great idea, practice what you preach.

The issue at hand is AAs attempt to sell a ticket at a discounted price to its employees. When in fact it is not a discount at all.

"[color=#330099]I dont recall complaining about outsourceing maint. And to be quite frank if tulsa was not making AA money it would be gone. If you think that is not true then you are a fool."

Really, then why did you post this link on the "Outsourcing Maintenance, The Truth" thread started by Ken M?[/[/color]quote]


I posted a link to an article. Didnt notice any complaining about outsourcing though.

You obviously don't have the character and balls to choose union when given an easy choice, so what happens when the decision is a little more difficult, like chosing your paycheck and food on the table vs. honoring a picket line??

coming from a management sux arse such as yourself your statement has no merit.

ps: hope you really enjoy those blue chips. I'm sure they're probably made by illegal immigrants, which will should you feel even better about your purchasing decisions.

I will
I purchased my tickets yesterday JFK FLL on jetblue

 

[FA Mikey]

So you are telling me that everything that I purchase in my lifetime should be a union product. Or are you saying only the obvious choices such as a jet blue ticket.

You could not be held to the same practice yet you exspect anyone who is pro union to do it.

When I shop for produce in the supermarket I will make sure the drivers who brought it there are union.
The issue at hand is AAs attempt to sell a ticket at a discounted price to its employees. When in fact it is not a discount at all.
coming from a management sux arse such as yourself your statement has no merit.
I will
I purchased my tickets yesterday JFK FLL on jetblue

The point is that you refuse to make a single purchase on Union VS. non Union and to fly on AC maintained here in the US. No one asked you to check the driver for the produce at the store.

Its amazing, you expect a positive space ticket to be less than the competition. I am sure you know how and why jetblue can offer a less expensive fare in a market.

Please don't expect the general population to support unions and union work here in the US when as a union member you cannot be bothered yourself to support them or the companies that have them.

 

[Oneflyer]

I'm still trying to figure out why the AA20 was so much. I can get FLL-JFK for $198 right now for those dates, adding in tax the fare should be about $60. Perhaps someone isn't giving you the right fare.

What makes you think April 23-27 is spring break? You're about a month and a half off.

I'm also a bit surprised that someone on here isn't complaining that AA is now cheaper than Jetblue and the sole reason must be that their trying to screw the union worker.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

The point is that you refuse to make a single purchase on Union VS. non Union and to fly on AC maintained here in the US. No one asked you to check the driver for the produce at the store.

Its amazing, you expect a positive space ticket to be less than the competition. I am sure you know how and why jetblue can offer a less expensive fare in a market.

Please don't expect the general population to support unions and union work here in the US when as a union member you cannot be bothered yourself to support them or the companies that have them.

So you are telling me that everything that I purchase in my lifetime should be a union product. Or are you saying only the obvious choices such as a jet blue ticket.

You could not be held to the same practice yet you exspect anyone who is pro union to do it.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

I'm still trying to figure out why the AA20 was so much. I can get FLL-JFK for $198 right now for those dates, adding in tax the fare should be about $60. Perhaps someone isn't giving you the right fare.

What makes you think April 23-27 is spring break? You're about a month and a half off.

I went to the ticket counter and that was the price I was given.
Like I said AA gives you the false hope an AA20 will be 60 dollars when in actuality it isn't

Colleges all over the country are off during the month of April not one or two specific weeks.

 

[Oneflyer]

I went to the ticket counter and that was the price I was given.
Like I said AA gives you the false hope an AA20 will be 60 dollars when in actuality it isn't

Colleges all over the country are off during the month of April not one or two specific weeks.

I would try the We fly AA number.

Do you mean March? Most colleges are finish by mid-May, with SB in March, not April.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

I would try the We fly AA number.

Do you mean March? Most colleges are finish by mid-May, with SB in March, not April.

What is the number i will call it just to be sure

Spring Break is during Easter recess. April 8th - ???

 

[777 fixer]

When I shop for produce in the supermarket I will make sure the drivers who brought it there are union.

But you don't care if the guy working on the plane you are about to get on is union or even in this country. So I guess you would have no problem taking a flight on NWA.