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Former TWA 757s

It looks like we have some topic drift going on here, the discussion is going from the fate of the ex TWA 757-231s to the mistakes and abuses of TWA management. I'll start a new thread on the latter. Let's keep this one on topic, OK?
 
What type of engine is on the -231? If it's RR, US Airways may be interested. They just added three ex-ATA ETOPS 757s for secondary trans-Atlantic markets (LIS, SNN, GLA) and are said to be looking for more.
The former TWA 757s are already spoken for. However, they are Pratt & Whitney powered. Back in 2001, when UAL was attempting to take over US Air and AA was in the process of acquiring TWA, one of the plans were to for AA to swap the TWA 757s for the US Air 757s with UAL at the completion of the respective mergers. That way both AA and UAL merged 757 fleets would have had uniformity of engines.
 
"Nothing short of a crime" you say?

First, AA, it's unions, and it's employees owe you TWAers absolutely nothing. The nAAtives' unions did exactly what they were required to do by law- protect their membership's interests (even so you still got binding arbitration and are unhappy with the arbitrators ruling). The nAAtives' unions not protecting their member's interest would have in fact been a crime. Perhaps the "crime" occurred when the TWAers unions waived their LLPs in order for the asset sale to go through. TWA failed because of it's management; not because of AA, it's unions, or employees. We owe you absolutely NOTHING!

Second, I find it odd that you say that you are a "criminal victim" of AA, it's unions, and employees when:

1. You went from being one of the lowest paid AMTs at TWA to being the highest paid at AA for the last 5 years and are still doing heavy overhaul on AA aircraft and contract work while all the other legacies farmed theirs out resulting in the layoffs of thousands of long time loyal employees.

2. You are still accruing an AA pension while the other legacies have frozen or terminated theirs (and you lost yours at TWA).

3. You will have health and other benefits when you retire; unlike those at the other legacies who have been priced right out of theirs.

Yeah, you really have it bad.
<_< ----- Hello aa! I thought you'de bit on that one! Now, Tell me friend! Looking at it from five years out, what percentage of exTWA employees, have gotten to enjoy all those aa "benifits" your talking about???? 😉 As for pensions, our pensions with aa started four years ago, only after we transitioned from TWAllc! It's something! But I wouldn't brag on it !!!!
 
I have been lurking this board for many months. I found this thread to be perhaps the most interesting I have read in the months I have been here.

First, I do not work for an airline, but I do travel often. I live in St. Louis and flew many many times on TWA. Now I fly on AA for obvious reasons.

When AA bought TWA I thought it was a good deal, especially when Uncle Carls good deal, regarding airline tickets was thrown out. I believe that if all went like AA said it was going to do, it would have been a good deal for everyone. But for many reasons this did not happen. Now STL is basicly just a feeder hub to ORD and DFW. Yes we do have non-stops but they are usually at bad times and are usually more expensive, than the ones with connections.

I feel what happened to most all of the TWA employees was very bad. I can understand that the AA employees did not want to be lowered in senority. I do not know if I was one of the AA employees that I would want to have that happen to me. BUT, as a member of the traveling public, I would rather have an ex-TWA F/A, pilot or mechanic with 25 - 30 years of expeirence over one that had 5 or 10.

I have never met a more dedicated employees than the TWA group. Working with bad management on older planes, they were always friendly and tried to do a great job. I feel sorry for them.

Several months ago, my wife and I went out for dinner and saw a F/A that I had flown with many times, she was a bartender and I know she had over 20 years with TWA. It was good to see her but I felt for her.

It seems that many AA F/As are not happy being in STL. I think it shows in the service that we get.

No matter where I flew, when I saw the TWA plane, I felt like I was almost home. Even though it may have been dirty and there was duct tape on the seats. When meals were removed from many meals in first class I figured, well at least my Bloody Mary glass is always full. Now, many times that does not even happen. In past posts there was discussion about the FAs taking the serving cart and searving the meals out of it. That is now, at least on my flight the rule and not the exception. I never, never saw that on a TWA flight.

This is just an observation from a person who takes at least one round trip a week in not two. I am not trying to flame anyone or get anyone upset.

I doubt that TWA would have been liquidated. I do not know if it could have survived after 9/11, but seeing how many airlines keep flying after being bankrupt I would think that they could have done it also.

I would love to have TWA back!!!

Thanks for all you do to keep me safe while I am flying. You all have a difficult job to do and have my respect.
 
I have been lurking this board for many months. I found this thread to be perhaps the most interesting I have read in the months I have been here.

First, I do not work for an airline, but I do travel often. I live in St. Louis and flew many many times on TWA. Now I fly on AA for obvious reasons.

When AA bought TWA I thought it was a good deal, especially when Uncle Carls good deal, regarding airline tickets was thrown out. I believe that if all went like AA said it was going to do, it would have been a good deal for everyone. But for many reasons this did not happen. Now STL is basicly just a feeder hub to ORD and DFW. Yes we do have non-stops but they are usually at bad times and are usually more expensive, than the ones with connections.

I feel what happened to most all of the TWA employees was very bad. I can understand that the AA employees did not want to be lowered in senority. I do not know if I was one of the AA employees that I would want to have that happen to me. BUT, as a member of the traveling public, I would rather have an ex-TWA F/A, pilot or mechanic with 25 - 30 years of expeirence over one that had 5 or 10.










I have never met a more dedicated employees than the TWA group. Working with bad management on older planes, they were always friendly and tried to do a great job. I feel sorry for them.

Several months ago, my wife and I went out for dinner and saw a F/A that I had flown with many times, she was a bartender and I know she had over 20 years with TWA. It was good to see her but I felt for her.

It seems that many AA F/As are not happy being in STL. I think it shows in the service that we get.

No matter where I flew, when I saw the TWA plane, I felt like I was almost home. Even though it may have been dirty and there was duct tape on the seats. When meals were removed from many meals in first class I figured, well at least my Bloody Mary glass is always full. Now, many times that does not even happen. In past posts there was discussion about the FAs taking the serving cart and searving the meals out of it. That is now, at least on my flight the rule and not the exception. I never, never saw that on a TWA flight.

This is just an observation from a person who takes at least one round trip a week in not two. I am not trying to flame anyone or get anyone upset.

I doubt that TWA would have been liquidated. I do not know if it could have survived after 9/11, but seeing how many airlines keep flying after being bankrupt I would think that they could have done it also.

I would love to have TWA back!!!

Thanks for all you do to keep me safe while I am flying. You all have a difficult job to do and have my respect.




Thank you for your kind comments. Many of our f/as have gone on to successful 2nd careers. Others still hope for the "magic recall letter". All things considering, we're doing well. I miss flying the same flights month after month, knowing our regulars, having that bloody mary waiting because it was Tues., and Mr./Ms. Smith always are traveling to SEA on Tues. Or checking (in a panic) because Mr./Ms. Jones aren't in 4A and for the past several years they have always connected to the LAX all nighter from the EWR flight on Fri. We enjoyed that special relationship with our customers and I believe that is the main reason we continued to win the JD Powers Award even with the obvious service barriers. AA (unfortunately) will never know the quality of f/a they so quickly disposed of in the TWA "cleansing". How brilliant they were to give us pay seniority and then use it against us as an excuse not to recall. As one of the lower paid work groups on the property, you would think that marketing would want to kill the customers with service, not strip it down to nonexistence. But then, there might not be those bonus compensations for productivity savings. All else being equal, (price choices and schedules), customer service will be the winner and I wonder if AA will ever understand that concept. You have to take care of the internal customer if you want the external customer to be happy. Such a loss. Again thanks.
 
Many of our f/as have gone on to successful 2nd careers

And some can't get the flying but out of their system. Had a chat with a Republic (US Express) FA the other night. 25 years at TW, before being laid off by AA. (Her paycheck is likely lower than at TWA in 1980!)

Sadly, I flew TWA only a handful of times. (Paid and NRSA) All the flights were top notch, but my favorite was an MD-80 flight (coach) from SFO to STL in '96 or '97. The crew (flight and cabin) was one of best I have ever flown with; they really made my feel like I was was flying business class to Europe.
 
Many of our f/as have gone on to successful 2nd careers

And some can't get the flying but out of their system. Had a chat with a Republic (US Express) FA the other night. 25 years at TW, before being laid off by AA. (Her paycheck is likely lower than at TWA in 1980!)

Sadly, I flew TWA only a handful of times. (Paid and NRSA) All the flights were top notch, but my favorite was an MD-80 flight (coach) from SFO to STL in '96 or '97. The crew (flight and cabin) was one of best I have ever flown with; they really made my feel like I was was flying business class to Europe.


Again thanks. We love to hear these comments. It validates the true loss of an outstanding workforce. Many of us would have tried our wings again but with so many industry furloughs, we didn't want to be junior to our first furloughed. One of those interesting penalties for being "experienced". Many airlines are enjoying the customer service experience of top level professionals for bargain basement pay. As much as I loved my former profession (both PanAm and TWA) I wouldn't sell services for "a new beginning". I have been fortunate to find a new career with wonderful co-workers, flexibility, and something different every day...almost like flying,lol. There are very few moments that I miss flying (especially with the difference in AA's service culture) but every now and then...
 
<_< ---- That's pretty much what I've been trying to get across! Attitude is everything! aa has plenty of that! But unfortionatly the wrong kind!!!! :shock:
 
MCI, you can b!tch all you want about how the integration went and how "warmly" you've been accepted into AA as an employee, but from a customer perspective, AA is and always has been a decent airline to fly in terms of customer service.

I can count on one hand the number of times I've received "attitude" from an employee assisting me as a passenger, and that's based on a couple hundred thousand miles flying on company business, and now, as a paying customer.
 
I can count on one hand the number of times I've received "attitude" from an employee assisting me as a passenger, and that's based on a couple hundred thousand miles flying on company business, and now, as a paying customer.
Did I miss something, have you left the company?
 
Probably got caught playing on USAviation, instead of working.
 
Haven't left yet, but with flights so damn full, paying for a ticket seems the only way to guarantee getting from A to B. Plus, I can wear shorts and flipflops.
 
Haven't left yet, but with flights so damn full, paying for a ticket seems the only way to guarantee getting from A to B. Plus, I can wear shorts and flipflops.
<_< ---- Since your a management type, I assume you hold a higher priority pass than just a D1? So if your buying a ticket, planes must be full! Lets hope aa is making money here! Because no matter how much we bich on this board, that is the bottom line here folks!! 😉
 
MCI, you can b!tch all you want about how the integration went and how "warmly" you've been accepted into AA as an employee, but from a customer perspective, AA is and always has been a decent airline to fly in terms of customer service.

I can count on one hand the number of times I've received "attitude" from an employee assisting me as a passenger, and that's based on a couple hundred thousand miles flying on company business, and now, as a paying customer.
<_< ----- Mr. Former ModerAAter, Your totally correct! I should have qualified that statement! I do apologize! I should have said, Your front line people show a high degree of professionalism to wards the flying public, our customers! But, their total lack of sensitivity toward their piers at TWA during, and after, the buyout shows one and all the true underlaying attitude of aa and it's Unions!
 

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